E-TEC oil

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Evinrude recomends its XD100 oil as its preferred<br />E-tec lubricant. If evinrude/johnston brand oils<br />are not avalible,you must use an oil that meets<br />NMMA TC-W3RL cerification standards.<br /><br />Anybody wouldnt happen to know what RL in <br />TC-W3RL stands for would you.Is this a special <br />TC-W3 rated oil.
 
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I believe it is, NoSleep, but I don't know what the RL means.<br /><br />The E-tec oils the crankcase directly and has no cooling fuel passing through there, only air. Bombardier must want the oil to stay there, with very little carried to the cylinder(s) so that oil consumption (and emissions) stays very low.<br /><br />It seems to me that such an oil would have very different characteristics from regular TC-W3.<br /><br />LubeDude should show up soon and give us a more technical explanation.
 
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Beats the He11 out of me, but Im trying to find something about it.<br />-----------------------------------<br />
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RL = Reformulated Lubricity.<br /><br />In other words, TCW-3RL is better than TCW-3R is better than TCW-3...<br /><br />-John
 
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Thanx for the info guys.<br />Could it then be safe to use TC-W3 in this E-TEC<br />motor? I still have 16 liters of Shell premium<br />TC-W3 that I was using in my 120 evinrude vro.
 
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No, NoSleep.<br /><br />Use no oil that doesn't meet Bombardier requirements for the E-tec. That means TC-W3RL spec oil only.<br /><br />Good luck. :)
 
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Originally posted by NOSLEEP:<br /> Could it then be safe to use TC-W3 in this E-TEC<br />motor?
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No, NO, No, ABSOLUTLY NOT, I do know that much.<br />--------------------------<br />
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Well..... My evinrude dealer told me it was fine<br />to use this oil in my new E-tec. But I am one<br />who likes to get a second opinion on things.<br />especially when I have doughts of my own.<br />I will contact Shell and see what they have to say about this topic. And perhaps some one from<br />evinrude could add to JB AND Lubedudes comments.
 
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I thought that the E-tec could run on either 2 stroke oils, but the computer has to be set for the oil it would be using.
 
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Yes JasonJ, The manual states when changing from<br />Evinrude XD100 to TC-W3RL or vise versa you must<br />return to the dealer to have the EMM reprogrammed<br />I would assume because of the difference in ratio<br />the oil is being supplied to the engine.<br />My question is what is the difference between <br />TC-W3 and TC-W3RL and why the dealer would not<br />differentiate between the two ratings.
 
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NOSLEEP,<br /><br />You are correct about the difference in ratio.<br /><br />From what I've been hearing, TCW-3R and TCW-3RL oils have to pass more stringent test standards than TCW-3 rated oils. This whole oil rating thing is going to be revised in the not to distant future. Industry rumors are leading to a TCW-4 rating. I'm not certain, but I would bet the RL thing has to do with the higher crankcase and combustion chamber temps of the DI engines, probably the solvents and other additives not flashing off too soon, so the oil does its lubricating duties better.<br /><br />Why doesn't the dealer know? Probably too busy with business to keep up with the rest of the industry or (hopefully not this) he doesn't care.<br /><br />-John<br /><br />BTW, "Hi" back at you too DJ, I've been around occassionally, but just too busy to post recently. You'll be seeing more of me around.
 
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XD-100 is all synthetic, isn't it? XD-50 is a snythetic blend and XD-30 is straight oil. Sure can get confusing trying to keep up. <br /><br />Your right John, keeping up with the industry is a chore. Some times all ya' know is what you can read in the P&A book.
 
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I Emailed the NMMA Yesterday, and this is all I recieved back.<br /><br />________________________________________________<br /><br /><br />The RL designator on all TC-W3 means that the oil's formulation has<br />successfully passed an additional AF-27 lubricity test. As of January<br />1, 2004, all TC-W3 lubricants are to have been tested and have the RL<br />designator. Other TC-W3 oils with only an R designator are no longer<br />registered or authorized for use.<br /> <br />Thomas Marhevko<br />Director, Engineering Standards<br />------------------------<br />
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LubeDude you are AMAZING.<br />Thank you for taking the time and effort to<br />research this, Hats off to you my friend.<br /><br />Steve.
 
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Originally posted by NOSLEEP:<br /> LubeDude you are AMAZING.<br /><br />Steve.
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__________________________________________________<br /><br />Well, I dont know about that, thanks for the patt on the back. Better than a kick in the Bu7t. I did try and find out more, but that is all I was able to come up with, wish I could have found more, Im curious now. Im still digging some though and if I find anything else I will post it.<br />----------------------------<br />
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so LD...what does that mean...<br /><br /><br />The RL designator on all TC-W3 means that the oil's formulation has<br />successfully passed an additional AF-27 lubricity test. As of January<br />1, 2004, all TC-W3 lubricants are to have been tested and have the RL<br />designator. Other TC-W3 oils with only an R designator are no longer<br />registered or authorized for use.<br /> <br />Thomas Marhevko<br />Director, Engineering Standards<br /><br />that all tc-w3 oils have the RL classification if they were manufactured after Jan 1, 04? I guess you will also find out what the "AF-27 lubricity test is"...or does it even matter... :cool:
 
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LD's answer was more than enough for me. Thanks LD.<br /><br />Why the heck do we care what the lubricity test is? Maybe it's a guy rubbing his fore finger and thumb together, with oil on them, and saying-HMMMM, pretty slippery. :D :p
 
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Just for information purposes. I was surprised to<br />find my oil reservoir on my new e-tec motor near<br />empty after using 3/4 of my fuel tank capacity<br />(17 gallon tank).It would appear after monitoring<br />the reservoir after additional fuel usage that<br />this motor was double oiling for the first 5<br />or so hours of operation. and the oil usage has<br />dropped dramatically. The reservoir holds 2.8ltrs
 
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Originally posted by Chief 101:<br /> so LD...what does that mean...<br />that all tc-w3 oils have the RL classification if they were manufactured after Jan 1, 04? I guess you will also find out what the "AF-27 lubricity test is"...or does it even matter... :cool:
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The AF-27 test is just another test for Piston scuffing and deposits.<br /><br />It appears that is exactly what it means. Therefore any oil manufactured after Jan 1/ 2004 should be fine. I sure would use a synthetic in that engine though. (Im sure that surprises you all).<br />-----------------------<br />
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