Electric Trailer Brakes Behind a Truck Without

Knot Waiting

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I have a 2010 Boat Wheels aluminum trailer with four wheel electric disc brakes. Recently we towed this trailer behind my friends truck that does not have trailer brakes. The first problem I noticed was that behind his truck the trailer would not back up, like the brakes were set; however it pulled forward just fine (or seemed to). The real issue came up when I put the trailer back behind my truck (2005 F250 w/factory trailer brake controller). Now it will not recognize the trailer, keeps saying "check trailer" and does not seem to be braking at all. What happend? Thanks!
 

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Re: Electric Trailer Brakes Behind a Truck Without

I have a 2010 Boat Wheels aluminum trailer with four wheel electric disc brakes. Recently we towed this trailer behind my friends truck that does not have trailer brakes. The first problem I noticed was that behind his truck the trailer would not back up, like the brakes were set; however it pulled forward just fine (or seemed to). The real issue came up when I put the trailer back behind my truck (2005 F250 w/factory trailer brake controller). Now it will not recognize the trailer, keeps saying "check trailer" and does not seem to be braking at all. What happend? Thanks!

Ayuh,.... Yer Bud's truck had the back-up lights wired to the trailer brakes, 'n yer truck is obviously wired differently than the wagon is...
 

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Re: Electric Trailer Brakes Behind a Truck Without

Yup, sounds like he fried out the brakes by continually running a full 12 volts into the brakes in reverse. Electric brakes generally max out at 9-10 volts
 

UncleWillie

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Re: Electric Trailer Brakes Behind a Truck Without

5 Pin Flat connector or 7 pin Round?

The 5 pin flat uses the 5th pin to send the Reverse signal to disable the brakes.
If the trailer expects a brake controller on the 5th pin the reverse signal is going to lock up and smoke the brakes.

Just a guess! :D
 

04fxdwgi

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Re: Electric Trailer Brakes Behind a Truck Without

I have a 2010 Boat Wheels aluminum trailer with four wheel electric disc brakes. Recently we towed this trailer behind my friends truck that does not have trailer brakes. The first problem I noticed was that behind his truck the trailer would not back up, like the brakes were set; however it pulled forward just fine (or seemed to). The real issue came up when I put the trailer back behind my truck (2005 F250 w/factory trailer brake controller). Now it will not recognize the trailer, keeps saying "check trailer" and does not seem to be braking at all. What happend? Thanks!

Is this trailer rig brand new to you? 4 wheel electric disc brakes? You sure about that? Electric over hydraulic, maybe then OK. Do not believe there is such a thing as "electric disc brakes" (never seen one, anyway). All trailer disc brakes I know of are hydraulic, surge or electric over hydraulic, but hydraulic, just the same.

If disc and surge, no controller needed in tow vehicle, but must be wired w/ a 5 pin flat or a 7 pin round plug. If electric over hydraulic, then one needs a controller in tow vehicle and will act basically like electric brakes.

I'll summize that, since I have "4 wheel hydraulic surge disc brakes" and mine will like exactly as you describe, your trailer won't back up because the trailer has hydraulic "surge" brakes and brakes apply when tow vehicle reverses, it pushes on the hydraulic actuator, applying the brakes (this doesn't happen w/ drum brakes). The trailer probably has a "lockout solenoid" on it that operates off the backup lights on the tow vehicle. (If it doesn't, it should and you can add one.) If tow vehicle isn't wired for the backup lights to power the solenoid, then the trailer won't back up. Some of the surge disc brake trailers have a "lockout pin" that must be inserted into the surge coupler to prevent movement and applying the brakes. Your F250 doesn't recognize the trailer because of what I mentioned above, probably nothing to recognize.
 

Knot Waiting

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Re: Electric Trailer Brakes Behind a Truck Without

Thanks for the replies guys. It is "electric over hydraulic" not surge and is four wheel disk. What would have burnt out by running constant 12 volt or what should I check? Thank you.
 

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Re: Electric Trailer Brakes Behind a Truck Without

You could have taken out the E/H actuator! $$$
Or hopefully just a fuse.

What connector? 5 or 7? <---<<< This is Important!
 

04fxdwgi

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Re: Electric Trailer Brakes Behind a Truck Without

Thanks for the replies guys. It is "electric over hydraulic" not surge and is four wheel disk. What would have burnt out by running constant 12 volt or what should I check? Thank you.


OK... That clears up some (lots) of questions.

If you disconnect the wiring between the tow vehicle and the trailer, with E/H, the trailer should act as if it had no brakes at all, backing easily and all. I have the drawing for the wiring for my 04 F150 (yours should be the same).

I would start by verifying all wiring is correct on truck and trailer, then go to E/H manufacturer's website and get all the documentation available there and begin troubleshooting.

.............Function...................Ford colors............7 pin harness colors......4 pin harness colors
Pin 1….. Ground…………….….…….White….…………..…..…White………….………..White
Pin 2…..Electric Brake…………..Dark Blue….………..……Blue..........................None
Pin 3….. Running lights……..…..Brown / White…….…..Green………...………….Brown
Pin 4….. Power……………………….Orange…………………… Black.........................None
Pin 5……Left Turn…………..….……Yellow………….………....Red…….………..………Yellow
Pin 6…..Right Turn………………….Dark Green………………Brown….....…...………Green
Pin 7…..Reverse Lights……………Black / Pink……………..Yellow.....................None

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