Engine Turned over...but that was it...tons of questions inside...wanna play?

[WillandShay]

OK. So I am going to step through everything we did to day to the "Shae". Yep that is what Shay named his boat because "Shae" is the female version of "Shay". Anyway back to it, I am going to number them for ease of answering if you all wish to do so...

1. Battery had 11 volts, this might be a problem but watch the videos and see how fast she did turn that engine. This battery will not be in the Shae, once she is ready to set sail. At the end of a session of turning and turning and turning that engine over, she puked and spilled electrolytes.

2. Distributor cap is completely broken at the left base screw area, but just at the base. Rotor button looks great and the points fired off as well. It gets fire but the fire is weak and sporadic, going to replace the cap, wires, plugs, etc... But will probably keep what we have until it at least fires off one time, even for a second. The spark is very weak it seems...I know this because at dark I took the plug out and connected the wire to it and turned the engine over, and sometimes the spark was consistent and then the spark was not there at all, no matter how many turns the engine went.

3. Fuel pump never pumped fuel in the carb, going to run a hose straight from the gas can to the fuel pump tomorrow, so for today I dumped about 5-10 CC of gas straight down the carb, and this is right before Shay had a go at it in the videos. Just trying to get it to bump over once. I was hoping for him it would, but it didn't. Thinking about starting fluid...hmmmmm....we will see.

4. We were unable to turn the engine over with the key, as the relay did nothing but buzz, I was thinking that may be amp related, or it may be just where this boat has set outside for so many years, uncovered, that I just need to rewire it all. Redo the console and gauges. Could not get the blower motor to work, nor the bilge pump to work, so that tells me the wiring is shot. At least I think so. The stern light and bow light did work for a bit, then as the day went on, they did not work anymore.


Any suggestions, ideas, or anything is welcomed. I will try what ever you all suggest, but for now, I think it is just a matter of replace this, try it, replace that, try it, etc...


If I think of more items I will post them, but these are the first on my list.

Thank you!

Will

 

[third times the charm]

Re: Engine Turned over...but that was it...tons of questions inside...wanna play?

Will and Shay,
Welcome to iboats and I give your son cudos for taking on sucha project, cudos to you dad for supporting him. Electric is not a strong area of mine, but I think your going to have to look doing a partial tune-up so it fires. The fuel pump issue may be a minor one. I just recently added to my fleet, a 1968 starcraft holiday, po told me the pump was bad on it. I took it apart and inpected the rubber diapham, cleaned it out and it begin to work again. If its been sitting long enough the carb on it will proparly need a rebuilt kit for it to run.(Used a squirt bottle to spray gas in my carb to make sure that the starcraft was running)Again all the guys seem to know what thier doing or at least can point ya in teh right direction, good luck

 

[WillandShay]

Re: Engine Turned over...but that was it...tons of questions inside...wanna play?

Will and Shay,
Welcome to iboats and I give your son cudos for taking on sucha project, cudos to you dad for supporting him. Electric is not a strong area of mine, but I think your going to have to look doing a partial tune-up so it fires. The fuel pump issue may be a minor one. I just recently added to my fleet, a 1968 starcraft holiday, po told me the pump was bad on it. I took it apart and inpected the rubber diapham, cleaned it out and it begin to work again. If its been sitting long enough the carb on it will proparly need a rebuilt kit for it to run.(Used a squirt bottle to spray gas in my carb to make sure that the starcraft was running)Again all the guys seem to know what thier doing or at least can point ya in teh right direction, good luck

Thank you for the reply!

Yes, I agree with you, but the parts, meaning the plugs, rotor button and points all look new, as hard as that is to believe, the carb will need a rebuild, but I dumped 5-10 CC of gas down it, and I think it is going to fall under electrical parts being bad because of corrosion. So I am leaning toward a shot of ether to make sure the engine does not have to be rebuilt. I will rebuild the entire engine if necessary though. But I can not make that decision until i hear it run, at least for 10-15 seconds.

Will

 

[third times the charm]

Re: Engine Turned over...but that was it...tons of questions inside...wanna play?

hmmm somehing i just thought about, have checked the coil to see if that maybe is what is causing the problem. It might be weak or like you said , there is alot of wiring issues to deal with. Maybe just wire it enough to see it fre. like bench starting a fresh rebuilt for the first time.

 

[WillandShay]

Re: Engine Turned over...but that was it...tons of questions inside...wanna play?

hmmm somehing i just thought about, have checked the coil to see if that maybe is what is causing the problem. It might be weak or like you said , there is alot of wiring issues to deal with. Maybe just wire it enough to see it fre. like bench starting a fresh rebuilt for the first time.

Yep. Good idea for sure. I put my meter inside the coil while turning the engine and it's reading was weird, 348, then 228, then 9, then 123, it was all over the place. Also, the terminals on it were 9 volts, even though the battery was reading 11 volts.

Thanks for reminding me!

Will

 

[WillandShay]

Re: Engine Turned over...but that was it...tons of questions inside...wanna play?

Morning everyone!

OK, so I have been thinking this morning, I think the first item to purchase, besides wiring, is a coil for the "Shae". I think it is going to cost about 45.00 plus tax. Does anyone think this is a good place to start, or not?

What would it take to turn this engine into electronic ignition?

Meaning no external coil and no contacts or points, if you wish. Thoughts?

Thank you!

Will

 

[Don S]

Re: Engine Turned over...but that was it...tons of questions inside...wanna play?

I put my meter inside the coil while turning the engine and it's reading was weird, 348, then 228, then 9, then 12

If you do have spark, you probably now need a meter. That is NOT how you check a coil or check for spark. The coil puts out about 20,000 volts and your meter probably won't like it.
Before you start buying coils, for no reason, go up to the adults only sticky and read the thread "How to test a points ignition system"

Another point, if you don't have a good, fully charged battery, none of your tests are going to mean very much, and the chance of getting it started if it's not cranking fast enough are slim to none.

 

[WillandShay]

Re: Engine Turned over...but that was it...tons of questions inside...wanna play?

If you do have spark, you probably now need a meter. That is NOT how you check a coil or check for spark. The coil puts out about 20,000 volts and your meter probably won't like it.
Before you start buying coils, for no reason, go up to the adults only sticky and read the thread "How to test a points ignition system"

Another point, if you don't have a good, fully charged battery, none of your tests are going to mean very much, and the chance of getting it started if it's not cranking fast enough are slim to none.

Don S -

Headed to the Adults Section now to read. Thank you sir.

Will

 

[dirtdog38]

Re: Engine Turned over...but that was it...tons of questions inside...wanna play?

make sure them points are clean and set right file clean or your wifes emery board works good re set use contact cleaner or a clean white paper to pull though u will see the dirt or oil from them.even brand new sometimes if ther oily they dont start set at 15 to 17 000th run a hot wire from the battery to the non distrib side of coil if you dout your wires

 

[sqbtr]

Re: Engine Turned over...but that was it...tons of questions inside...wanna play?

Any boat of that vintage is bound to have electrical problems. Entry level boat builders did not spend a lot of time or expense on the electrical systems, plug and play and get them out the door.

The harnesses usually had connectors in them that are susceptable to corrosion. Don't be a parts changer, learn the systems and how to trouble shoot them. That boat is old school nothing about it is high tech, some parts are marine specific, such as dist cap, fuel pump, alternator, carb and starter.

Keep asking questions and please save the starting fluid for your potato gun.

 

[WillandShay]

Re: Engine Turned over...but that was it...tons of questions inside...wanna play?

Any boat of that vintage is bound to have electrical problems. Entry level boat builders did not spend a lot of time or expense on the electrical systems, plug and play and get them out the door.

The harnesses usually had connectors in them that are susceptable to corrosion. Don't be a parts changer, learn the systems and how to trouble shoot them. That boat is old school nothing about it is high tech, some parts are marine specific, such as dist cap, fuel pump, alternator, carb and starter.

Keep asking questions and please save the starting fluid for your potato gun.

OK. But I have a Potato Cannon...LOL!!! 5 inch OD chamber, with a 5 foot barrel that is 2 inch in OD.

Anyway, I am going to read the wiring schematic today and see where to start as far as the engine is concerned and then move to all the accessories later on.

Thank you!

Will

 

[WillandShay]

Re: Engine Turned over...but that was it...tons of questions inside...wanna play?

OK. Shay should be home next weekend. We will try again next weekend. Everyone please send their thoughts and comments for getting this engine up and running! Getting excited again for sure!

Will