Engineer don't understand fiberglass repair

salmonee

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I started reading the fiberglass repair book listed in the FAQ in trying to patch up my boat which got damage. It's a 1978 Sailfish so I don't want to pour a ton of $ into it but want to preserve it for years to come. Most of the fiberglass damage is at the keel as seen in the photos. I just don't know where to start. I don't have tools of the trade and was wondering if it would be cheaper just to hire someone for the job. If someone is familiar with that book, can they give me a pointer as which chapter I should be focused on? It goes into alot of depth info which I don't care about.
 

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TK

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Re: Engineer don't understand fiberglass repair

It is a little hard to see all by your pictures. However if you do not want to put a lot of $$ into what you have...just get some epoxy fairing compound. Sand the area with 80 grit and feather out the edges. Now put a couple of coats of the fairing compound on and feather it out. Then do a nice shape and form sanding job. If it looks good paint or gel-coat and it should be good to go.
 

cheesegrits

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Re: Engineer don't understand fiberglass repair

I agree with TK except that once you go with epoxy fairing compound, gelcoat won't stick, you'll have to prime and paint.
 

erikgreen

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Re: Engineer don't understand fiberglass repair

It won't be cheaper to pay someone. But it may be easier.

Here's the repair process in pseudo engineer speak.

There are two phases to worry about:
  • Structural repair
  • Fairing and cosmetic repair
The first one involves making sure the damage didn't affect the structural support of the hull. So make sure no stringers have been damaged by impact or rot, make sure there's not a wide scale delamination of the glass on the hull, take care of any secondary issues caused by the keel holes. Repair whatever is needed. Last step is actually patching the hole from the inside to make it waterproof and strong.

The second one is actually filling the hole and making it smooth. A boat hull has some things in common with an aircraft fuselage or car body. It's a convex surface moving through a fluid. Fluid flow mechanics apply, you want to have a low friction low turbulence surface that directs flow in the correct way. You also want the repair strong enough to handle the pressures placed on it in use so it doesn't fail or deteriorate over time.

Once the hole is smooth and faired so the flow over it is good, last step is making it look good and final protection of gelcoat or paint. As mentioned have some idea how you will do this before you start, it'll affect your choice of materials.

Summary of the repair process: Fix the hole from the inside until it's not letting any water in. Then from the outside, clean the hole and remove any debris and loose fiberglass. Grind out the edges of the hole to width of approx. 10x the thickness of the hull in that area. Feather the ground out area to be thinner as you go outward from the hole, so you remove the most material at the hole and less toward the edges.

Patch the hole using several layers overlapping, with the smallest piece of glass going in first, and the final layer being nearly the full width of the ground out area. Avoid bubbles, allow it to cure, then cover the new glass patch with gelcoat or paint over fairing compound.

I don't think I have that book, but there's bound to be a section on patching a hole in your hull by grinding it out and glassing it over, that's the one you want. For your small holes, no need to clamp a backing plate on the inside first, just clean the hole and fill with layers and maybe a bit of peanut butter (resin putty).

Erik
 

lowkee

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Re: Engineer don't understand fiberglass repair

I think 'years to come' and 'want to go cheap' are pretty mutually exclusive. It won't cost you hundreds to fix those tiny spots. Go to uscomposites, buy a few yards of fiberglass tape (5" would do for that keel), a quart of poly resin, about 10 2" paint brushes, some rubber gloves, good quality sand paper and their smallest amount of gelcoat. You'll likely fix all of the keel and those nicks for about $70-$100 depending on how perfect you want it to look. You will be beaching for years to come without worry with a proper fiberglass fix and you will have enough left over to fix future dent and ding issues. You can't get someone else to look at your boat for that, forget fix it.
 

oops!

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Re: Engineer don't understand fiberglass repair

fiberglass repair is 75 bux an hour......

the first pic showes an inside out repair....that is 5 hours alone...mabe more as parts of the deck most likely have to come out......that one is allmost a hole.

the keel is simple....you might even want to put on a keel guard.

but all in all it is around a 1000 bux for a pro to do it.

so....read erik greens post....and dive in

cheers
oops
 
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