Ever read Mein Kampf??

[SoulWinner]

Hello everyone. I am reading Mein Kampf. It has been on my list of books I wanted to read for a long time. Finally got around to it, and man, I am blown away. I have read the first three chapters, and I am VERY surprised to see that many of the problems that Hitler was addressing regarding Austria/Germany in the 1920's can be identified as issues and topics of socio-political discussion in contemporary America. Not Jews, but other cultural issues.

Has anyone else read the book? Your thoughts? I have only read three chapters so far, but I find the book very intriguing.

 

[rolmops]

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Yes I did.
Of course the problems described are simular.It was the fascist solutions that made this book and its author so disgusting.

 

[SoulWinner]

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I haven't gotten to the solutions part yet, I just finished chapter three. I am going over the book carefully because I am curious about the link between fascism and socialism.

I found his thoughts on representative government and it's weaknesses intriguing. He did a good job of outlining the eventual problems of parlimentary rule, but his solution of a single "super intelligent" ruler to replace representative government was........well....goofy. Hard to believe anybody bought into that one. I mean, just because a mechaninc can tell you what's wrong with your car doesn't mean he can design and build it from scratch.

 

[rolmops]

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Funny you came up with the super intelligent ruler.This idea was kicked around a lot. One of its proponents was Leon Strauss,who with the help of Hitler's lawyer friend Karl Schmitt,left Germany in 1932. Leon Strauss later became a professor in Chicago,until he died in 1973.He is the ideological guru of Rumsfeld and Cheney.

 

[txswinner]

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Yep, soul it gets real slow about 3/4 way thru. Concepts are not all so far fetched and scary when you find yourself agreeing to one who was so evil.

Check out Stauss who was a mentor of Rummy and Cheney and you can see some of these same ideologies in practice today. All in all his thoughts were not all wrong and evil, good read bad author.

 

[SoulWinner]

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Ok guys, you are totally freaking me out. This Strauss thing is gonna have me side tracked for a while. See, this is one of the things I love about this place; I never would have heard the name Strauss if I hadn't posted here that I was reading the book. Thanks for the info, this is gonna be very interesting!

 

[QC]

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txs said evil, txs said evil . . .

I have a really old copy on my bookshelf and it makes me feel dirty. I do want to read it, but I mainly read on airplanes and don't want anybody to see me with it . . .

 

[txswinner]

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I read a lot and do not remember ever reading anything that made me feel stupider for having read it. Soul work your way through Mein, worry about Strauss later. The history and the mindset are interesting.

Keep in mind as you read that his hatred of the jews was not just something he dreamed up. The general consensus of Europe was not positive toward Jews before his action.

Then after the war, part of the populating of Israel was to rid Europe of the Jews.

 

[rolmops]

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Soulwinner,
The concept of super intelligent ruler is not just goofy.It is the culmination of a process that starts with racial superiority and racial purity.In Adolfs case the Arian race.
It is based on purely racist ideas and the end result is the "Uebermensch",the super intelligent ruler who is a product of the super intelligent race.
Of course,in order to reach this goal,certain bumps in the road need to be straightened out.Inferior races need to be put in their proper place and the "virulent races" need to be wiped out.
The greatest pitfall of reading "Mein Kampf" is reading it without knowing the results of these theories.This lack of reality checks is the reason why these sick ideas keep on popping up.

 

[puddle jumper]

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Keep in mind as you read that his hatred of the jews was not just something he dreamed up. The general consensus of Europe was not positive toward Jews before his action.

Then after the war, part of the populating of Israel was to rid Europe of the Jews.[/quote]

My father was growing up in Jersey(channel islands) and he has told me simmilar things about the people of Europe and there fealings towards the Jewish people.I think most of the bad fealings towards them came up because Europe was poor at that time. The Jewish people seemed to be controling the wealth and goverments of the time.
pj

 

[puddle jumper]

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I mean, just because a mechaninc can tell you what's wrong with your car doesn't mean he can design and build it from scratch.[/quote]

If you only new how many times i wanted to take the engineer out back and smack him up the side of the head for the way thay design the equitment i have to fix.:devil:

 

[rolmops]

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Keep in mind as you read that his hatred of the jews was not just something he dreamed up. The general consensus of Europe was not positive toward Jews before his action.

Then after the war, part of the populating of Israel was to rid Europe of the Jews.

My father was growing up in Jersey(channel islands) and he has told me simmilar things about the people of Europe and there fealings towards the Jewish people.I think most of the bad fealings towards them came up because Europe was poor at that time. The Jewish people seemed to be controling the wealth and goverments of the time.
pj
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Oh yes, the jewish people seemed to be controlling the wealth and governments at the time.
This is the sort of quote often used by Hitler and his friends,to justify their anti-semitism and other types of racism.
It is this sort of statement that paved the way to the concentration camps.

 

[12Footer]

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I never read it. I just never have been interested in the personal struggles of a mad man.
The translated title is "my struggle"... I don't care about that.

 

[POINTER94]

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Wasn't that the title of Hillary's book?

 

[puddle jumper]

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rolmops
My parents lived the German occupation of the channel
islands.Thay know what it is like to be running down the streets jumping over dead bodys trying not to get killed!
What happend to the Jewis people was verry wrong and should of never of happend.The point my father was making was this is part of how the second world war started.That is called history and you cant change it no matter how much you dislike it.You can take this history and use it to stop it from happening again.

 

[ztim]

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The title translated, 12Footer, is "My Head" and he wrote the book while he was in prison.

 

[bjcsc]

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The title translated, 12Footer, is "My Head" and he wrote the book while he was in prison.

Kopf is "head", kampf is "struggle", "battle", or "fight"...

 

[12Footer]

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Yesir.. "Struggle".. But he did write the carp in prison, Bob..