Ever wonder what happened to the streetcar? [Read this]

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<< The electric streetcar, contrary to Van Wilkin's incredible na?ve whitewash, did not die a natural death: General Motors killed it. GM killed it by employing a host of anti-competitive devices which, like National City Lines, debased rail transit and promoted auto sales.>>

<< This is not about a "plot" hatch by wild-eyed corporate rogues, but rather about a consummate business strategy crafted by Alfred P. Sloan, Jr., the MIT-trained genius behind General Motors, to expand auto sales and maximize profits by eliminating streetcars. In 1922, according to GM's own files, Sloan established a special unit within the corporation which was charged, among other things, with the task of replacing America's electric railways with cars, trucks and buses.>>

<<Members of GM's special unit went to, among others, the Southern Pacific, owner of Los Angeles' Pacific Electric, the world's largest interurban, with 1,500 miles of track, reaching 75 miles from San Bernardino, north to San Fernando, and south to Santa Ana; the New York Central, owner of the New York State Railways, 600 miles of street railways and interurban lines in upstate New York; and the New Haven, owner of 1,500 miles of trolley lines in New York, Connecticut, Rhode Island and Massachusetts.>>

http://www.lovearth.net/gmdeliberatelydestroyed.htm

If GM hadn?t did this, I wonder if we would be so hooked on oil now? Also it would be nice to have some of the money going into subsidizing the farmers with their corn crops for the production of ethanol, just maybe, having a little of that money going into some form of public transportation.
 

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Re: Ever wonder what happened to the streetcar? [Read this]

:D Just take a trip to Portland, we have light rail everywhere. I do not relish the ideal of ever sending my children (13-15 yr old girls) on the light rail. While there is a commute of business people in the morning and evening from the burb's other than that i would not take my family on them.

Yet at the same time from the hour's of 7 am to 9 am and 3pm to 6.30 pm traffic is almost at a utter standstill on any of the major arteries, the city spent i believe about 8 billion on light rail and no improvement's on the highway's or byway's.......urban growth thing. I guess it's there ideal of a better or quality of life deal.....:eek:
 

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Re: Ever wonder what happened to the streetcar? [Read this]

:D Just take a trip to Portland, we have light rail everywhere. I do not relish the ideal of ever sending my children (13-15 yr old girls) on the light rail. While there is a commute of business people in the morning and evening from the burb's other than that i would not take my family on them.

Yet at the same time from the hour's of 7 am to 9 am and 3pm to 6.30 pm traffic is almost at a utter standstill on any of the major arteries, the city spent i believe about 8 billion on light rail and no improvement's on the highway's or byway's.......urban growth thing. I guess it's there ideal of a better or quality of life deal.....:eek:
Why is that?
Portland has much worse traffic than Seattle from what I have seen....
I-5 is a parking lot......
Probably 'cuz Boomie's surburban is taking up all the space........:rolleyes:

It is true about the light rail unfortunately, it gives the riff-raff a warm place to hang out & size up their mugging targets.......:mad:
Just another example of how corporate greed needs to be kept in check by the Gubmint for the good of the people.......​
 

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Re: Ever wonder what happened to the streetcar? [Read this]

Probably 'cuz Boomie's surburban is taking up all the space........:rolleyes:


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Just wait till he start's moving them old barge's around he calls boat's, we will be in grid lock for hour's, can you imagine 10,000 people rubber necking that spectacle in total bewilderment.........:D
 

Haut Medoc

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Re: Ever wonder what happened to the streetcar? [Read this]

Probably 'cuz Boomie's surburban is taking up all the space........:rolleyes:


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Just wait till he start's moving them old barge's around he calls boat's, we will be in grid lock for hour's, can you imagine 10,000 people rubber necking that spectacle in total bewilderment.........:D
Yep! :D
 

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Re: Ever wonder what happened to the streetcar? [Read this]

Why is that?
Portland has much worse traffic than Seattle from what I have seen....
I-5 is a parking lot...... 'Cause Portland has more socialists per capita than seattle, that's why. ODOT is full of left wing idealists who want us out of our cars. They are sitting on Billions of dollars and will not build one new mile of roadway. They are ideologically opposed to anything that smacks of individualism. Typical Socialists.

Probably 'cuz Boomie's surburban is taking up all the space........:rolleyes:
Rest assured that the only space my Suburban is taking up is in my driveway. I have not refilled the gas tank since I returned from Lake Shasta last August. I don't need a bunch of Commies telling me that it is not economical to drive the beast about town.
It is true about the light rail unfortunately, it gives the riff-raff a warm place to hang out & size up their mugging targets.......:mad:
Just another example of how corporate greed needs to be kept in check by the Gubmint for the good of the people.......​

How about Gubmint greed and arrogance Haut?
 

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Re: Ever wonder what happened to the streetcar? [Read this]

How about Gubmint greed and arrogance Haut?


They are the culprit's as Boom says, our light rail line was voted down and the government still passed the funding measure.........Do we still live in our father's and fore father's America.......... or are the neo con's really in charge regaredless of there stated party........ you be the judge...
 

Haut Medoc

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Re: Ever wonder what happened to the streetcar? [Read this]


I have to agree with both of you.....
But, I do like the idea of light rail as an alternative to driving....
Europe, Paris especially, is light years ahead of the Northwest in this respect.....
New York is another good example......
Boomie, my suburban is just as big as yours, btw......:)
 

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Re: Ever wonder what happened to the streetcar? [Read this]

GM did not kill the trolly car.

Henry Ford, Tojo, Hitler and Roosevelt killed the trolly car.

Post WWII Americans no longer wanted to live in the city and ride trolly cars. They also did not want to live on the farm anymore.

Post war Americans wanted to go to college, work in the city, live in the suburbs and drive a big azz gas guzzler, to get back and forth.

A tradition many proud Americans follow to this day. ;)
 
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