Exceeding the max hp

acdc96

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My cousin just got a smiliar boat like mine (Jon boat) same size just different hp ratings. Mine is rated for 18hp. His boat is rated for 15hp but he's got a 18hp evinrude on it. All two stroke so their in the recommended motor weight limit (about 10lbs lighter then max). I mean it's a 2-3 hp difference but it's not like having a new 20hp Mercury 4 stroke that weighs a ton. Even a 10hp 4 stroke is hevier then my nissan. I heard as long as the motor is within the recommended weight it's allowed. Is this true? I don't plan on going any larger. But I don't want my cousin getting a safety violation for having a motor that's too big.
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Re: Exceeding the max hp

Different states deal with HP ratings differently - as do different law enforcement agencies and insurance companies. I would check with the ones you deal with.

That said: an extra 3HP on a 15' is probably not too big a deal. As best as I understand it, the weight of the motor has little to do with the HP rating for the boat.
 

smokeonthewater

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Re: Exceeding the max hp

15 is 15 is 15...... In the eyes of the law 16 is the same as 50.... They are both over 15

that said, you MAY or MAY NOT have an issue depending on the laws in effect where you boat and depending on the diligence and discretion of the officer you may or may not encounter....


IF your desire is to comply with the USCG specifications then you must comply with ALL of them... Weight, passenger count, AND hp...
There is no "as long as...." Exception.
 

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Find a 15hp sticker, apply sticker, done! Depending on the year of the boat, a 15hp motor might exceed the rating already! (boat could be rated for 15hp at the crank, modern engines are rated at the prop. Hence, a modern 15hp motor is exceeding the rating of a boat that was max of 15hp crank hp.)
 

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Re: Exceeding the max hp

From a regulatory standpoint, it is over the rating, as stated. From a practical standpoint, it would most likely not cause a problem with the boat, being so close to the rating.
 

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I wouldn't sweat it, especially since it's your cousin, and not you, who gets the ticket.

There is a lot of bad information constantly posted here on this issue as to the "legality" side of not complying with the plate. You have to look at your laws in your jurisdiction. Nothing else matters; no one else's experience matters; no one's guess matters; no one's third hand rumor matters.

I am aware that in some jurisdictions it is illegal to change or hide the numbers painted on the cowl even if you are still legal. This happened to a duck hunter who painted his legal motor. it probably also involved a LEO who gives the others a bad name. This does not mean your jurisdiction has the same law.

Some jurisdictions incorporate the rating plate as what is legal, some do not. Some case law uses the rating plate as evidence, but not proof, of safe/unsafe operation. I suspect an insurance company would see it the same way--but what an insurance company does is a matter of contract--what is written in your policy, and not anyone else's.

When it comes to rigging and operating a boat legally, though, there is always the vague and unqualified "unsafe operation" rule that can get you. Like "disorderly conduct." No one knows what it takes on the close calls; we all know it when we see it for the easy cases.

So ACDC, consult Connecticut regs and also any regs for the particular lakes that may be under their own jurisdiction (like National Park).
 

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Re: Exceeding the max hp

Find a 15hp sticker, apply sticker, done! Depending on the year of the boat, a 15hp motor might exceed the rating already! (boat could be rated for 15hp at the crank, modern engines are rated at the prop. Hence, a modern 15hp motor is exceeding the rating of a boat that was max of 15hp crank hp.)

Yep, that's great advise. :cold: Rather than take an over-power ticket (and only in a few states), your advice is to move up to a felony (fraudulent representation)?
 

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Haven't searched it up because the back pain meds and just getting back from PT.

What is the weight difference between a 60's model 18hp OMC and the 70's model OMC 15hp?
I also know Merc was making an 18hp for awhile but do not recall them with a 15hp.
 

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Well i would agree in all most all cases it really dosnt mean a lot with the exception on limited hp lakes, especially a core lake. Year before last during a blitz inspection 270 citations were issued starting at 500 a pop and 15 boats and trailer were confiscated and sold at auction. So take the chance if you feel the risk is worth it. This was on a 10 hp lake.
 
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Legal advice from the internet--just as reliable as the youtube's on doing your own knee surgery.

The tickets for overpowering in a restricted lake would not be the same as "overpowering" per the ratings plate in general waters. Again, what do Conn. laws say? that's all that matters. We agree that this one is not a safety issue from too many horses or too many pounds.

But that's still good info and interesting about the 'ticket blitz" at the 10 hp lake and something to keep in mind for those who use them--and who are tempted to skirt the regs.
 

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My girlfriend is only a little pregnant, so what's the big deal?

My little town has a dedicated traffic cop. Our speed limit is 30 and at 31 you get a ticket. We like it because he collects hundreds of thousands each year from visitors and keeps the taxes down.

What is it about that dumb sticker on the boat that's so hard to understand? It says "Max" not "well about".
 

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My girlfriend is only a little pregnant, so what's the big deal?

My little town has a dedicated traffic cop. Our speed limit is 30 and at 31 you get a ticket. We like it because he collects hundreds of thousands each year from visitors and keeps the taxes down.

What is it about that dumb sticker on the boat that's so hard to understand? It says "Max" not "well about".

Care to point to any law that states you can't overpower your boat? Pretty much every federal, state, county, and city law is available online. Please post a link to the one you are referencing...
 

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Yep, that's great advise. :cold: Rather than take an over-power ticket (and only in a few states), your advice is to move up to a felony (fraudulent representation)?

You have heard the phrase put up or shut up, right? Please see my post above. If you are going to claim it is a felony (which it absolutely is not), please include a relivent link to any law you can dig up saying that. I'll take your lack of post as admission you were wrong...

have to love iboats... The amount of mis-information is quickly outweighing the value of the board...
 

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Yeah ^^^ exactly^^^ this same Max HP rating thread has worn out it's welcome. The only Max HP governing body is the Federal Gov by way of the CFR's and they are NOT enforceable by local LEO's and are in place only for safety in manufacturing. The vessel manufacturer would be fined for violating the regs, not "Cousin Willy" for slapping on an extra 3 HP.

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-2002-title33-vol2/xml/CFR-2002-title33-vol2-sec183-53.xml
 

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  • From New Mexico Boaters Safety Course Exam at: http://www.boaterexam.com/usa/newmexico/education/?chapter=9&page=16
  • "Dangerous operation. Boaters must make sure that the vessel is being operated in such a manner that it's occupants or others sharing the water are not in any danger. If an officer observes that someone's safety may be endangered, the operator may be forced to head to the closest moorage. Examples of such operation could be: operating without all the required equipment, operating the vessel with more power than recommended, or operating the vessel with a fuel leak."
Not much of a penalty in my opinion. Plus, in 50 plus years of boating in New Mexico waters, I've never known, or known of, anyone having the actual size of the motor checked to see if it complied with the recommended size on the plate.
 

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I would use common sense and see how the 18 rides. Jon boats can be kind of tippy and IMO unstable. That 18 may not even be an issue from a safety perspective, but then getting the ticket will still be on you. The only Jon boat I ever had was really small and not even safe IMO adding an outboard. Some older OB's are heavier than new ones, but in the court room, or if an accident occurs, it's on you because of that. Regardless of who did what, that will become a excuse to blame you for any liability. It's a sad world we live in today, but I would use caution and common sense. Someone will gladly sue you, just because they can. Good luck
 

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FYI this is what we have for law in indiana. It is vague but I think they could most likely get a conviction for any amount over the USCG plate rated HP. IC 14-15-3-23 Load and horsepower safe capacity Sec. 23. A person may not operate or permit operation of a watercraft if a reasonably prudent person would believe the total load aboard or the total horsepower of any motor or engine of the watercraft presents a risk of physical harm to persons or property, having due regard for the following: (1) The type, construction, and condition or state of repair of the boat. (2) The conditions and hazards, actual and potential, then existing, including weather and density of traffic. As added by P.L.1-1995, SEC.8. Amended by P.L.289-2013, SEC.2.
 

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Care to point to any law that states you can't overpower your boat? Pretty much every federal, state, county, and city law is available online. Please post a link to the one you are referencing...
In my post I made no mention of law or legality. I didn't even imply it.

What I did was imply how tired these posts are getting. At least one bubba a week asks thwe same question.

I can tell you one thing for certain is that my own personal insurance company requires an inspection of any car or boat they insure. If the HP exceeds the plate they will turn the application down. I can't give you a link to that, and I don't thi nk my agent frequents the boards to verify it.

You are right about the misinformation. It's not just recent, I said that a few years ago.
 

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I would use common sense and see how the 18 rides. Jon boats can be kind of tippy and IMO unstable. That 18 may not even be an issue from a safety perspective, but then getting the ticket will still be on you. The only Jon boat I ever had was really small and not even safe IMO adding an outboard. Some older OB's are heavier than new ones, but in the court room, or if an accident occurs, it's on you because of that. Regardless of who did what, that will become a excuse to blame you for any liability. It's a sad world we live in today, but I would use caution and common sense. Someone will gladly sue you, just because they can. Good luck
My little tinny is rated at 25 max. We used a 10 for years and was happy. I upgraded to an 18 and thought I wanted more so slammed on a 25. That 25 was downright dangerous and i moved back to the 10.

Law or not, insurance or not, watercop that has his own ideas or not, it all comes down to common sense, which there is little of any more.
 
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