Feds rule against Mercury

[TOHATSU GURU]

It's official. The ITC ruled for the Japanese. There will be no duty leveled on imported outboards.

 

[Laddies]

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Thats some more of the Feds looking out for the American worker. YOU JUST CANNOT FIX STUPID

 

[agitator]

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now i guess the american worker will do his part by refusing to buy an imported motor or other boating equipment! yeah, right.

 

[phatmanmike]

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whats it really matter. when you buy an "american" ford F-150, its made with parts from all over the world.<br /><br />mercs use yamaha powerheads.<br />johnsons use suzuki motors<br />hondas use merc lower units<br />small mercs are made by tohatsu<br /><br />dodges have mitsubishi motors<br />chevy uses toyota cars<br />my 1990 ford was made in korea<br />etc<br />etc<br />etc<br /><br />bla<br />bla<br />bla<br /><br />sorry for the somber attitude, but hey.....

 

[WillyBWright]

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What concerns me about Mercury is that they can't seem to learn from their mistakes. This is a pattern with them. They **** off the supplier because they're unhappy about something, then that company tells Merc to Kiss Off. Take the single ram trim cylinder of the 90s. They had a huge failure rate. But relations went sour and rather than fix the problem, the supplier abandoned the whole thing leaving the consumer with no repair parts. Now instead of buying a $6 minor part, the customer has little choice but to buy a complete $1000 replacement unit or abandon the motor. The same thing has happened with ignition systems and other outsourced components.<br /><br />Once Yamaha's current contract for supplying powerheads is up, their relationship with Merc is over. I feel very sorry with those that own Yamaha/Mercury hybrids because getting parts is destined to become a huge problem in very short order. Any Mercahas still on the shelf don't have much sales appeal right now. I wouldn't buy one! Brunswick is gonna be hurtin for certain.

 

[Jason S in WA]

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This thread prompted me to register after looking here for several years.<br /><br />In my opinion this is great. Why should American companies "bully" the competition with our court system so they can be competitivly priced. It is about time the American Corperations wake up and smell the coffee. Get rid of dead wood and start kicking out some cometitive stuff at competitive pricing. We have the knowledge here to kick almost anyones butt with product it is getting it to the consumer we have a problem with. I apluad Mercury for the Verado motors, BUT I just ordered my Yami 200 HDPI. Why? Because the Verado as nice as it is still has a weight of ~600#. Opti? Too many problems. Evinrude seems to be coming along nicely though.<br /><br />Too many people here take what we have for granted. I say this not lightly. By the way before I get flamed and the post gets deleted by moderators I am a Vet and proudly served our great nation, but it has been slipping backwards.

 

[TOHATSU GURU]

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Mercaha....I thought it was Yamaury. And in keeping with that theme:<br /><br />Tohatury<br />Suzirude<br /><br />No, your right. The labeled name should come first:<br /><br />Mercatsu<br />Evinuki<br />Honcury

 

[ziemann]

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Jason,<br /><br />I don't think your opinion will be flamed (too much) and your post won't be deleted. This is a good lesson to Mercury. If Merc had won this battle, the loser would be the consumer thru paying higher prices for outboards. Competiion is a great thing- competition works in our favor in the form of lower prices, better technology, and better service. Merc must compete with the Japanese outboards manufacturers, and hopefully this will just spur them to work that much harder to be competitive. I myself own a Nissan/ Tohatsu. I would have not had any problem with a Merc when I purchased, but for my bang for the buck, I chose the Nissan. I have a couple of great Nissan/ Tohatsu dealers close by as well as Evinrude and Merc dealers. Service is certainly important, but with everything else being equal, I bought on price. If Merc's or Evinrude's pricing had been better, I would have bought either of those. Competition is a good thing for the consumer, and in the long run, USA vs. Japanese- we the consumer benefit from this competition. Not thru the little kingdom that Merc would have created if they had won this. Outboard dumping NO- didn't exist. Good healthy competition- YES.

 

[rodbolt]

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Jason s<br /> I gotta agree<br /> but with todays global market a brand name is just that. its not a signal of where it was manufactured or even assembled. yamaha moved its small stuff to france. jonnyrudes and mercs small stuff has beenassembled in belgium for years. some small mercs had jappowerheads and assembled in belgium. the 4cylinder yams have rods,pistons and cams made by ford motors in england. the F25 was for years a gray painted merc. the current f25 connecting rods are made here in the states.<br /> so exactly what brand did we buy ?

 

[whofan]

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I remember reading, Mercury taking OMC to court a few years before they went belly up. I dont like the way Brunswik does business. Id consider any other outboard before I would buy Mercury. They should focus on building a supieror<br />product, if they do theres nothing to worry about.

 

[dick]

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Merc did this for one reason only,to make there new Verado cost competitive with large Japanese 4 strokes (200- 275 hp )If you repower with a yamaha with a yamaha, plug and play, same with suziki and honda and even if you get new controls and cables you can do it for under $1000, put on a verado and add $5000 for new dts controls and wiring and their steering that is a hard sell ,ad a tariff and voila not so big of a price break.Don't know if the new mid range verados (135-175 hp) will be dts and merc p/s but if they are they'll price them right out of the market.

 

[winoandino]

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Whats funny is that Yamaha was actually found guilty of dumping product in the US a few weeks back. The only reason the tariff was dropped was the ITC could not find where Brunswick had suffered financialy from the dumping. <br /><br />BTW, 2 of the 6 commissioners DID vote in favor of Merc so there had to be a little more than jut smoke and mirrors from Merc. If only one more commish had ruled for Merc, Yamaha would have lost.<br />I know this is great for Yamaha, but don't be soo quick to slam Merc and praise Yamaha until you have all the facts.

 

[TOHATSU GURU]

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Yamaha was found guilty of dumping, OJ Simpson was found innocent of murder and my ex-wife always wins in court....somethings are just wrong!

 

[rodbolt]

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all I gotta confirm is the rumours that merc is building assy/manufacturing plants in china. black anchors aint much here, I cant wait to see the chinese version .<br /> merc and yamahas relationship goes back to the early 80's. now merc does not want to play.

 

[roscoe]

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So Merc will build their new motors overseas in a low cost labor market, and the American worker will be the ones to suffer. The Brunswich honchos will get bigger bonuses for "cutting costs".<br />Same old story.

 

[rodbolt]

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roscoe<br /> I dont know. its just a rumour that keeps popping upat some of the dealerships that I work with that have contacts overseas.<br /> I hope its not true but then I never thought I would see a mexican made 5.7 chevy either. nor a mexican 3.0 chevy. but its now cast in the blocks and heads<br /> hechen en mexico

 

[TOHATSU GURU]

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This just came out today.<br /><br />BRP rolls back prices as import bonds end<br /><br /> As a result of the federal decision earlier this month that Japanese outboard manufacturers were not guilty of price dumping, BRP Inc. is reversing the price increase it implemented on all Johnson 4-stroke engines 25 hp and up sold in the United States.<br /><br /> The Commerce Department issued a preliminary finding last August that there was a pricing margin of 22.52 percent and ordered all Japanese outboard manufacturers to post bonds in that amount of any engine imported into the United States. A final determination in late December reduced that amount to 18.98 percent.<br /><br /> BRP, which imports its 4-stroke engines from Suzuki, said it would absorb a portion of the duty to minimize the price increase. Johnson 4-strokes from 4-hp to 15-hp were not affected. BRP had increased the price on 4-strokes from 25-hp to 30-hp and from 115-hp to 140-hp by 5 percent. The price on 4-stroke engines from 40-hp to 90-hp, and from 200-hp to 225-hp rose 12 percent.<br /><br /> However, the U.S. International Trade Commission ruled earlier this month that the pricing margins had not injured the domestic industry. As a result of that decision, the bond money that had been collected was refunded to the affected companies.<br /><br /> Effective today, BRP will go back to the pricing that was in place prior to the import duty of 18.98 percent. The company also said in a special edition of its Real Deal newsletter that it will reimburse the cost difference on all shipments that were affected by this increase.<br /><br /> In other news, BRP announced today the repayment of its $280 million term loan facility under the senior secured credit facilities. The $280 million facility has been replaced by a new term loan facility of $50 million, under the existing senior secured credit facilities, which will mature Dec. 18, 2010.