finicky 2000 50 hp 4 stroke?

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I have done all I know to do - rebuilt carbs, constant trips to the shop for carb sync.... thing runs great for awhile, then goes wacky. rough idle, stalls, coughs and hiccups.... leave the repair shop and it's humming like sewing machine - a few trips later - right back to being sick. Dealer tells me Yamaha has always had a problem with these motors... is there a cure? Sorry if this has been addressed here somewhere....just to frustrated to search.:mad:
 

Silvertip

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Re: finicky 2000 50 hp 4 stroke?

So what does the shop do to make it run right for a bit? Whatever they do is what is going wrong. If you don't know, ask them. Then do what they do when it begins to act up. Repeated issues that seem to be stalling and rough running related point to crud in the fuel tank. Do you have a water separating fuel filter on this engine. If not -- you should have. Have you tried running on a different (portable) fuel tank to see if the issue pops up. If not, that confirms it's a fuel issue.
 

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Re: finicky 2000 50 hp 4 stroke?

If the shop isn't cleaning the carbs and only balancing the vacuum, then something is moving. Is the brass low speed plugs removed from the carbs to allow adjustment? Yamaha does not have a problem with those engines doing that.
 

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Re: finicky 2000 50 hp 4 stroke?

Take a fuel sample from the bottom of the tank.
 
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Re: finicky 2000 50 hp 4 stroke?

Thanx for all the replies .... I have pretty much covered every one of these points and more. Shop rebuilt the carbs a couple of years ago at about $200 a kit (that's times 4...plus labor), cleaned and tuned the carbs - within a few months - happening again. I have drained and cleared the tank, used a secondary portable tank, replaced all the fuel lines, removed the quick disconnect and "hard-wired" the gas line straight to the motor, checked water filter (do that on a regular basis anyway), REPLACED the water filter assembly and the filter itself with all new.... filter on the motor is always clean. Yes the plugs on the carbs are removed and the low speed adjustment screws are accessible....

My best friend is a retired Yamaha mechanic - have finally talked him into pulling the carbs and checking them...TWICE - he cleans the carbs and adjusts using a mercury guage.... runs great when he's done and for a month or so... I hate to keep asking him to pull them over and over... both he and my dealership - who he worked for for 26 years says Yamaha has ALWAYS had trouble with these motors - linkage too complicated - too hard to adjust..... something about jets being so small even the tiniest foreign matter fouls them. We did find some corrosion in one of the carbs that was malfunctioning, evidently smal particles broke loose and blocked a jet... Spark is good.... sometimes when running you can pull a plug wire on a cylinder... no change - gotta be fuel or carb... I dunno guys, just very frustrated right now, I have had this motor from new, it has always been had issues off and on, but lately getting worse. Was wondering if anyone else was having these problems and maybe discovered a magic bullet fix... motor is 12 years old but garage kept, immaculate.... Thanx again for the input.
 

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Re: finicky 2000 50 hp 4 stroke?

If you getting trash into carbs plugging jets/passages then either you have some stuff getting through filters or the trash is after the filters.
Are the filters the 10 micron ones?
The fuel pump and lines on motor can have stuff trapped in them that keeps coming out hitting the carbs
or the lines on the motor themselves are breaking down
 
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Re: finicky 2000 50 hp 4 stroke?

not sure about the filter size, it's the filter/water trap comes mounted on the motor. there are no larger pieces getting trapped, you'd think if stuff was moving through the fuel lines and through the filter some of the bigger particles would stay in the filter - absolutely clean.....what we found in the carb one time was corrosion from that carb bowl.... Pulled the fuel pump and inspected looks good too.... If I crank it up in the yard, water hose attached of course, seems the longer it runs at idle, worse it gets. Fires up fine then as it runs starts running rougher after 5 minutes or so... like the carbs are loading up with excess fuel..., or jets are clogging and always the #3 carb (from top). I am leaning toward kayaking full time.....
 

99yam40

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Re: finicky 2000 50 hp 4 stroke?

Corrosion comes from water in the system.
If corrosion is breaking loose from the areas in carb that will plug off things.
Ethanol fuel is a very good solvent that will break things loose and end up some where else.

After warm up the enrichment system drops out and the motor starts running lean.
 
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Re: finicky 2000 50 hp 4 stroke?

Motor's been sitting for a few weeks - was running ok after last carb clean out. Cranked it up - sounded funny, as it warmed up 5-10 minutes, rpms start dropping off - then would not idle. Bring the idle up with warm up lever, running but not sounding right. pulled #1 plug wire - shuts down - pull #2, no change in rpm, pulled #3 - no change in rpm, pulled #4 shuts down - not running on 2 and 3? Good spark, can hear popping when sliding plug wires off 2 and 3....???? assuming no gas getting to those carbs...
 

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Re: finicky 2000 50 hp 4 stroke?

Sounds like no fuel to 2 & 3 carb...you also said you weren't sure about the filter, I'd install a 10-micron racor type spin on filter in.
 
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Re: finicky 2000 50 hp 4 stroke?

jets were blocked in carbs 2 and 3, little crud in bowls, #4 carb bowl was really crappy looking but was not blocked. Mechanic says crud looks like water - so okay, where the hell is it coming from? - absolutely NO water in spin-on filter - so what now? - only thing can think of is condensation? I run this boat 2-3 times a month - is this possible? The boat is garage kept ( no hvac) and a lot of humidity here, always wet spots on the boat.... I'm gonna replace all the gas lines on the motor and the supply lines from the tank, also replace spin on filter with 10 micron rating. only thing I haven't tried is dancing naked under the full moon..... Is there a such thing as condensation that severe and what can I do other than move to Arizona.... got an evinrude 50 sits out in the weather - no problem...:blue:
 
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