Flipping boat hull suggestions?

accentphoto

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I have a Grumman 5.0 aluminum boat which weighs in around 800lbs (no motor) and I am planning on spraying the bottom with a rubber liner and I was curious how I could flip it over with little or no help but myself?

I have a engine cherry picker, standard engine stand and plenty of 4x4's to build something if needed.

I wish there was a post on boaters showing how they rotated their boat to get to the bottom without having to click on every post hoping there is a good idea. My motor is off and I am could easily make an attachment to fit the old motor mount holes for the rear and the front has the towing u-bolt. Here is photo of my project:
 

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DanielR

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Re: Flipping boat hull suggestions?

To flip 20' bowrider's hull i used home made gantry in the front (giving clearance to take the trailer once the boat was in the air) and engine jack in the rear.
I've bulit 2x4s to over 20ft in length extending 6" on each end.

Concept was to rotate the hull in the same manner as you'd roast the pig ;p

Ive reversed the bow eye to face inside to fasten front part of the boat.
In the rear i went though transom opening to get more symmetric center of gravity.
Once boat was lifted i got the trailer out. Using winch from trailer and extra length of the rope, I easily rotated the hull.

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Few tips:
Using straps rather than chain around the main shaft helped the assembly to rotate smoother.
To constrain front from any movement while the boat is half way into the rotation (sideways), fasten short 2x4 piece to main shaft angled to bow line of the hull.

That was my take on it. I was doing the flip by myself.
 

ezmobee

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Re: Flipping boat hull suggestions?

We flipped my 18' stripped out aluminum hull with 4 guys. Wasn't too big a deal. We put it on 3 furniture dollies which were great for moving it around the garage.

Why are you considering coating the bottom with a rubberized coating? Doesn't sound like a real good idea to me.
 

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Re: Flipping boat hull suggestions?

Good luck on turning your boat over. I'm and old conservative fool, but I question your plan of ruberising the bottom of your boat. The drag you will gain over painted aluminum may suprise you. Any of the flexing leaking seams will probably open up after two seasons due to poor adhesion to the aluminum.
 

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I am also NOT a proponent of using Truck Liner type material on the hull of an aluminum boat. From everything I have investigated on the subject it is NOT a good or recommended application. If you are having problems with Leaks etc. I would highly recommend looking into rebucking the rivets and then sealing the inside of the hull with a product like Gluvit or Coat It. Thats my 2? worth.
 

Cadwelder

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Re: Flipping boat hull suggestions?

I have to ask too. What is your reason for wanting a truck liner on the hull? Leaks? If it's leaks thats not the way to fix them.

You have us all curious here....
 

accentphoto

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Re: Flipping boat hull suggestions?

One word "Aliphatic". I am guessing you guys haven't seen the boat company that puts this on their Jet powered River Boats and jump logs and rocky river beds like its nothing. The actual reason is that once I soda blast some of the galvanic damaged seams I was going to rough sand, put a special aluminum to line chemical for the bond and then add the aliphatic liner. I am getting it in white. Its stronger, harder, UV resistant, lasting gloss finish and basically smoother than truck bed liner (in fact its hard for the liner guys to make the "wanted" texture) but it is in the same type of family as the truck liner. I am not making a race boat and speed is not my concern. I just want a longer lasting hull that can go in salt and fresh with out so much worry. I already got the sprayer and now I am comparing the bottom coats. There is actually a bullet proof one designed for the military but I don't think I can afford that.

My problem is that it is hard to buck rivets alone. Its hard to flip a boat alone so I am asking for suggestions. I don't want to strip up the floors, peel out the foam and deal with the gluv-it then chromate and then final paint. Its just too much cost and labor for me alone. Granted the liner gun I bought sprays foam and liner (including non slip sand enhanced liner for the interior). So for me I hope to seal this baby on the outside with aliphatic, coat the inside with the polyurea and hope for the best.

Who knows ... maybe I will go all the way and strip out the floors and redo it like everyone else but for the time being the liner is winning.

I forgot to mention, I have a bit of aluminum gone from the transom area due to the galvanic reaction and where the motor was mounted so I picked up a sheet of aluminum at a scrap yard for $16.00 and I will cut it to fit, lightly rivet it, rough, chromate and liner it at the same time to end the possibilities of leaking. I may even redo the transom wood and if so I plan on spraying it all around as well. Kind of like hermetically sealing it and only the bolt holes will be the weak point. Of course I get no points for accuracy of restoration in the "boat show" world but this is about creating a hopeful long lasting, safe, functional and family ready boat before winter gets here.

By the way, since starting this reply I spoke with the guy who makes the coatings and he asked if I wanted a rough surface on the aliphatic polyurethane coating and I replied no. He said good as its hard to get a rough texture since it dries slower (it has time to settle compared to the others which dry in 15 seconds). He also recommended that I could spray the regular stuff first (cheaper price) for thickness and add a thinner coat of the aliphatic two times and it would be beautiful. We'll see.
 

Woodonglass

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Re: Flipping boat hull suggestions?

Hey, Let me be the first to say, I'm all about NEW stuff. If this is as you say it is, then more power to you. Not to sure I agree with your transom scenario but if you think it's the way to go, it's your boat and your family. I'm anxious to see the results. You might start a revolution in aluminum boat hull restorations. Somebody always has to be the first.;)
 

accentphoto

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Re: Flipping boat hull suggestions?

DanielR ... good work. Now I may make a similar concept bolted to my motor mount area with a pivot shaft similar to a engine stand. The front I may make a small gantry to winch it up on and do a similar flip but my bow eye is not able to be flipped so I will think about other ideas. Sadly I had a nice gantry that I made camouflaged as a swing set attached to my kids two story play set. Of course the wife then couldn't believe it and later it did actually get converted to a very very tall swing set. Boy could I swing the kids up there. We had to buy some small parachutes for safety ... lol
 

accentphoto

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Re: Flipping boat hull suggestions?

Woodonglass, not sure which part about the transom part sounded bad but realistically I feel it is stronger than the original since I will maintain the original aluminum exterior, switch out the interior transom wood, apply a new sheet of aluminum (attached at a lot of points) and apply the coating to seal all of the edges. This may be futile but hopefully it will work well. Its like riveting on an extra skin over the worn skin with sealant under it for added seal plus the aliphatic exterior coat to really seal it. I am not a pro but a guy who doesn't mind trying something out of the ordinary if the concept seems to work. I know that Line-X is coating boats and I have not found a failure on them as of yet. We'll see. I hope.
 

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Re: Flipping boat hull suggestions?

to flip a hill......there is details in the link in my sig.....use the index at the beginning
 

accentphoto

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Re: Flipping boat hull suggestions?

Thanks for the info and the unfortunate lessons you learned. Is your boat finished? I was scanning pages near the end but was falling asleep ... just spent the day working on a trim tilt unit parts swap that just plain wore me out. Thank God for Portabands and torches ...
 
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