Flushing saltwater blocks

Sorrento 25

Petty Officer 2nd Class
Joined
Oct 9, 2006
Messages
181
I have a saltwater '88 7.4 with only 236 hours on the meter that may have overheating issues from saltwater deposits. I picked up some Salt-Away. It looks like 4-6 treatments with 24 hours in between is recommended. Does anyone have any experience with this product or tips for its use?
 

Scaaty

Vice Admiral
Joined
May 31, 2004
Messages
5,180
Re: Flushing saltwater blocks

BS. Saltaway will only help if you have all new parts, and use it after every use, and then it will only delay the corrosive effects. I soaked a salted out head in a double solution for a month, and it did nothing. I'm not saying it doesn't work, damn, I use it EVERY time after I use my big boat, but it will not remove deposits, and make everything shiny clean. I don't care what they claim.
When was the last time you changed exhaust manifolds? If not in the last 4 years in saltwater, their toast.
My biggest question is where the hell are you finding saltwater in Wisconsin?
 

Don S

Honorary Moderator Emeritus
Joined
Aug 31, 2004
Messages
62,321
Re: Flushing saltwater blocks

I would bet your "Salt Water Deposits" are more than just salt water. Probably rust plugged manifolds and risers.
Salt Away can clean to a certain point, but it can't put rusty metal back together again.
 

Sorrento 25

Petty Officer 2nd Class
Joined
Oct 9, 2006
Messages
181
Re: Flushing saltwater blocks

I just bought the boat in NY and I want to do whatever I can to de-salt it for its new life in WI.

Although the boat ran great for for me here for a few hours a few weeks ago, the previous owner voluntarily said install no thermostat until I questioned the reason for that, then said run a 160, then a 140 - so I know there are problems and I want to address them as possible now instead of after I find an issue on the water next summer. I intend to install the correct temp thermostat and a new water pump assembly in the lower unit.

Supposedly the risers are new. What else can I do preventatively besides blindly replacing the manifolds? I'm guessing that whatever bad things salt does to the inside of engines has happened to this one with as little use as it has seen since '88.
 

Don S

Honorary Moderator Emeritus
Joined
Aug 31, 2004
Messages
62,321
Re: Flushing saltwater blocks

The big problem with running an engine without a thermostat is the front of the engine stays cooler than normal, and the back of the engine runs hotter than normal.
The water in the front of the engine is circulating faster because of the large hole where the stat is supposed to be, then the back of the block is hotter around the cylinders and baking on the salt. But the gauge doesn't show this because the sender is on the front of the engine.
The other thing is the manifolds. Many people clean them thinking they are prolonging there use, which in fact masks the problem. Instead of now plugging up and causing the engine to run hotter you now have all the rust removed and the first thing that happens is a hole corrodes through, you get water (salt water at that) in your engine, and if let set for a couple of days because you don't know about it and you now have a locked up engine.
In salt water, manifolds are good for 5 to 8 years at most. If the risers were replaced, you can bet the manifolds are due also. But without seeing them, it's really just a WAG.
 

Sorrento 25

Petty Officer 2nd Class
Joined
Oct 9, 2006
Messages
181
Re: Flushing saltwater blocks

Thanks Don! How can I inspect these? I worked on cars most of my life so I am knowledgeable about non-marine engines. Can I sniff around with an IR temp gun while its warmed up and running on muffs to see what's going on?
 

Haut Medoc

Supreme Mariner
Joined
Jun 29, 2004
Messages
10,645
Re: Flushing saltwater blocks

I would blindly replace the manpfolds, too......
The block itself might still have alot of life in it if it was flushed after each use.......JK
 

Sorrento 25

Petty Officer 2nd Class
Joined
Oct 9, 2006
Messages
181
Re: Flushing saltwater blocks

Well I had it winterized today and the nechanic said both the manifolds and risers look brand new. I'll have to bite the bullet and drop it in a boring little local lake for a test day of cruising around in circles before I haul it off somewhere exciting in spring. :)

Thanks for all the help!
 

bjcsc

Lieutenant Commander
Joined
Jun 1, 2006
Messages
1,805
Re: Flushing saltwater blocks

Sorrento said:
Well I had it winterized today and the nechanic said both the manifolds and risers look brand new.

They almost always look brand new... on the outside...
 

flashback

Captain
Joined
Jun 28, 2002
Messages
3,987
Re: Flushing saltwater blocks

personally I don't think any mechanic worth his salt is going to say " the manifolds and risers look brand new". what he should be doing is taking them off and pressure testing them along with a good visual inspection. then he can say they may be like new... imho.......
 
Joined
Oct 12, 2006
Messages
68
Re: Flushing saltwater blocks

i can help you.

salt away wont help your overheating problem. the number one and two reasons saltwater engines, or fresh for that matter, run hot is
1. the impeller in your sea water pump is falling apart, have to replace it every year, and you would be supprised how many people dont. salt water is harsh on rubber.
2. the thermostat. every other year for that one. it doesnt take much for that puppy to freeze up from corrosion.

you should also remove and inspect the risers for corrosion. will need two gaskets, so get them before you do. in salt water, they are trashed after 4 or 5 years, shoud be replaced every 3 to 4 years, and inspected every year. they are the number one reason for saltwater intrusion, the heads are the number two reason.

now, for some disheartining horrible facts.

how old is the motor? if it is 8 years old or older, i dont care how pretty it is on the outside, and it doesnt matter if it has 50 hours or 500 hours, a salt water motor is rotten to the core. rusted beyond repair on the inside.

the good...and bad...news is, this rot wont be the problem of your overheating. long before the water jackets degrade enough to cause a problem with heating, the thin cast iron walls seperating the water jackets in your heads from your exhaust ports will develop pin holes and leak water into your cylinders and destroy your engine long before they get clogged up with rust.

dont worry about it untill you see some milkshake in yor oil, or, your starter starts to drag after itsd been sitting and you KNOW its not that old and you KNOW the batteries are in good shape. nothing you can do but hope for the best untill then.

replace the sea water pump impeller, and the thermostat. both are easy to do and cheap. should clear up your heating problem.

as far as corrosion prevention, ill give you a tip. on v8 chevys, there are two water drain plugs at the base of the block on either side at about the middle of the engine right at the top of the oil pan. 1/2 inch thread. starbord side should be right under the knock sensor if you have one.

remove them and replace them with 3/8 inch hose niples. attach some heater hose to bothh, runn them into a T fitting, then run them into a through hull flush fitting through your transon.

buy a multi purpose pump from the hard wear store and about 6 gallons of antifreeze, and 2, 5 gallon buckets with lids.

after you use your boat, and after you flush your engine, pump the remaining water out with this flush system, then pump your engine full of antifreeze. should take about 41/2 gallons. and when you want to use your boat, pump the antifreeze out of the engine and into the 5 gallon bucket. dont forget to secure the lid. dogs like the taste and it will kill them. you must secure the lid.

the damage is done when the boat is sitting, not when your running it. thats why 50 hours doesnt mean any more or less than 500 hours.

antifreeze is a corrosion inhibitor. it wont repair the damage, but it will keep new damage in check for a longer period of time.

sorry, but its the truth. and in your spare time, start looking for new long blocks. your gona need one sooner than later.

and i cant emphisize this enough, there is NO REBUILDING a salt water engine. the block is toast. the heads are toast. nothing wrong with putting in a gm rebuild, but a waste of time to rebuild yours. i know, i tried. was a fantastic failure. both of them flew apart within minutes of each other. the head bolt threads were so degraded from corrosion in the water jackets, they blew out the head gaskets, filled with water, then compresssion actually bent most of the rods.

ideling back to dock made people cringe form the sound of two big blocks slapping rods against the blocks. people at the dock actually walked quickly away when they herd me comming. the popping form the blown gaskets, slapping rods, and over reving just to keep them running to get back was an experience ill never forget. it was screaming "fear me", or, "im an idiot, run for your lives" not sure which.
 

Sorrento 25

Petty Officer 2nd Class
Joined
Oct 9, 2006
Messages
181
Re: Flushing saltwater blocks

Well...I see your points. The mechanic looked them over well and did point out that it was difficult to say for sure, but that the paint was clean and unstained, the brass plugs etc were still shiny with fresh thread tape, and that brass would discolor in short order if they were on there for very long. I guess I'll see what it does with the new water pump and thermostat. The oil looks great.

Would the engine driven water pump upgrade from the later 7.4s be a possible solution?

If the worst does happen how does the new 383MPI 325HP compare to my old 330HP 7.4??? I heard they are only about 12k complete with a bravo drive. That seems like a bargain when you price out any of the big block packages.

I also found a 496/375/Bravo3 package with 2100 hours on it for a decent price. Would this amount of hours be reason for concern?
 

tommays

Admiral
Joined
Jul 4, 2004
Messages
6,768
Re: Flushing saltwater blocks

i think if you check the manifold/risers and go through the cooling system and fix the problem it will be fine for a long time :)


Why change the motor unless you have to ?


Tommays
 

Sorrento 25

Petty Officer 2nd Class
Joined
Oct 9, 2006
Messages
181
Re: Flushing saltwater blocks

I hope it doesn't come to that but I've been waiting 20 years to own a boat this size and I want everything to be right when I haul it 5 hours away for a week long vacation in spring.

So if I find a problem I want a plan in place. :)
 
Top