foam in the toons???

partyboat21

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my buddy just purchased a pontoon 21' (used) got it home and noticed foam in the toons.anyone got any ideas? the only thing i can figure is its for bouyency.:confused:
 

tashasdaddy

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Re: foam in the toons???

aluminum tubes should not have foam, fiberglass does have foam. it is there to keep it from sinking , the glass is broken.
 

OldePharte

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Re: foam in the toons???

Typically, round tubes have no foam. They have several chambers that theoretically, if one is punctured, the remaining chambers will keep you afloat.

U-shaped tubes typically do have foam since if a puncture occurs, the entire tube will fill up as it is a single chamber.
 

5150abf

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Re: foam in the toons???

The last I built any U tubes(92-93ish) it was a coast gaurd requirement that they be filled with foam for the reason oldpharte posted.

So if they are round and foamed someone did that on there own and shouldn't have, if it ever get water logged they are screwed.

So, are they round or U?
 

partyboat21

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Re: foam in the toons???

the toons are round aluminum 21' dont have a clue why this was done but i pretty much figured it wasnt a good thing. thanks everyone for the input ill relay the bad news to my buddy.:(
 

boatmor

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Re: foam in the toons???

Run a small sharp pipe or something similar into the foam if you can to retrieve a plug of foam. If it is dry it is fine. Foam in the u-shaped logs contribute somewhat to to structural strength of the log.
 

partyboat21

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Re: foam in the toons???

my buddy and i checked out the foam in the tubes, took several plugs of it at different depths until we hit bottom and everything came back dry.these are 23" tubes and look to be not original for the boat. they how ever did a fine job of installation. just still cant understand why the foam and only in the front chambers? kidding around with him i said, "guess you'll find out why the first time out" we just laughed and had another heineken.:D
 

bowman316

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Re: foam in the toons???

one think i figured out is that wet foam still floats.
I tore out my soaked foam and it floated in pool water.

But The added water weight will probally not help things.
I don't know if i would rather have wet foam, or no foam when sinking.
 

tashasdaddy

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Re: foam in the toons???

in a runabout, wet foam can weight in the range of 500lbs. that is what is wrong with wet foam, plus it causes rot.
 

bowman316

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Re: foam in the toons???

Td, the question is would wet foam sink you faster, if you got swamped, or would it help you float, more so than if there was nothing in there?

My floor does not have wood in it anyway, just glass.

It is kinda a mute point anyway, I already took my wet foam out and put new plywood on top, with no new foam in there.
 

bowman316

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Re: foam in the toons???

would a toon filed with foam float higher than a toon with nothing inside?
 

5150abf

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Re: foam in the toons???

No, it is a displacement hull so the only way to make it float more or less is to make it bigger or smaller.

Same as putting air in it, it has no affact one way or the other.

Technically it will float lower because there is more weight from the foam.

It is only a problem if it ever gets waterlogged.
 

Bama Hound

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Re: foam in the toons???

I bought a 1985 Sylvan and it had foam inside the toons. It was to keep you from sinking if you had catastrophic leak. It had a drain plug in the rear. I got curious onetime and unscrewed the plug. There was no water and the foam was dry. I put teflon tape on plug and put it back, never to be removed again. Sold the boat in '09 guess it doesn't hurt
 

workerbee606

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Re: foam in the toons???

I have a 22' G3 toon with foam in the tubes, I got it new about two months ago and didnt realize that foam in the tubes was a bad thing until getting on this forum. I hope I dont ever get a leak as it seems that its unfixable with foam in the tube.
 

Bamaman1

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Re: foam in the toons???

My 1985 Starcraft has foam filled U shaped toons, and it is a very buoyant, efficient hull.

Building a U shape toon is far less expensive than building round tubes in sections and welding them together. U shaped toons use thinner aluminum and the foam is for safety AND it provides structure. U shaped toons are simply bent into place, where rolling aluminum sheets into round tubes and extensive welding is very labor intensive.

It all comes down to cost. I think the round tubes are more structurally sound, however.
 

5150abf

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Re: foam in the toons???

3 year old thread.

Workerbee, if you have a question start a new thread don't jump onto one that is 3 years old, old threads are like library books, they are good for information but you don't write in them.
 
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