Foam Question!

maxum247

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This is something that I have been wondering about after reading stringer questions. Would it be safe to?

Start with a bare fiberglass boat hull say up to 20 foot, strengthen the inside of the transom with fiberglass cloth and epoxy, especially in the corners of the transom and where the transom meets the bottom of the boat.
Pour in foam to the level the floor would need to be. This would take place of the stringers and knee's that would normally be present in some boat hulls.
Use some type of plastic pipe bedded in the foam for wiring and cables to run through etc, like they do in the floor of a building?
Use 5/8" plywood glassed on both sides sittng on top of the leveled foam, and glassed to the sides of the boat hull?
A strip of fiberglass could be layed across the boat at the plywood seams and along the sides of the hull and the plywood sealed with thickened epoxy as it goes in and then the deck glassed to the hull. This will give a layer of fiberglass under and one above the deck.
There would need to be a well to catch rain water and a bilge pump, make a form for the well, after the foam is poured remove the form. When the plywood floor is put in for good, the well would be glassed in permanantely. "That is if this foam can be glassed?"
I'm not sure how the plumbing for the cables and wiring would be drained if water were present, maybe a one way valve through the bottom of the boat sealed with 5200 and a scupper to keep it clean and neat.
Where the ends of the plumbing exits the deck could have a recess cut in the plywood around the pipe and could be filled with thickend epoxy, 5200 or something simular to keep it water tight?

1. Would this make a boat, too buoyant, unsafe etc?
2. Would the cost be worth it if it is safe to do?
3. Would heavy plastic hold up to the foam curing?
4. Would the floor floating on top of the foam be a problem? Stringers wouldn't be there to attach to, or would it not make to much of a difference with the hull filled with foam?:)

Thanks!
 

oops!

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Re: Foam Question!

good plan...........

but one thing....the boat is 20 feet...it doesnt need foam....id build stringers...they are the real support......(i dont foam is rigid enough to be a "frame"for your vessel)

i think the foam would flex too much...the foam itself would make it a bit dangerous......and foam can be crushed....ie...every wake the bow hits breaks down the foam......till there is nothing left.....

the foam mould for the livewell is a good idea.....sculpters use foam as a medium for glass formong all the time
 

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Re: Foam Question!

1. Would this make a boat, too boyaunt?

Ayuh,.....

Just How could/ would it be Too Buoyant,..??
 

drewmitch44

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Re: Foam Question!

Ayuh,.....

Just How could/ would it be Too Buoyant,..??

If it was too buoyant, would it not just hover overtop of the water? I mean you dont want it too buoyant cause then the water line will be different and you would have to put wings on the boat.
 

qaztwo

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Re: Foam Question!

draft is determined by weight of boat and volume of water displaced to equal that weight. The only thing foam does is add weight, not much but it is weight, causing the amount of water displaced to be greater.
In other words foam has little to no effect on draft and water line, if its wet thats another story.
 

firehog6305

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Re: Foam Question!

before I became a fire/medic, I worked on fiberglass for 14yrs, I worked for a company that did fiberglass repairs on tub/shower units in place. I have used the two part foam in many applacations, it is very strong in most cases, but with what you are talking about I dont think so, to long of a piece of foam has to much flexiblity to it, I would use stringers, reinforce the fiberglass with cloth, then run you plastic pipe for wires, any fuel lines, and then foam it! it will be more work, but the finished product will be great, good luck:)
 

erikgreen

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Re: Foam Question!

I'd recommend stringers.

That said, it depends on the foam you use. Densities of foam go all the way up to 16 lbs per square foot in the two part, and probably higher. That's dense enough to form structural parts out of.

It'd be really expensive to use that though... most people use the 2 lb density for floatation, and that's not cheap... the denser the foam, the more the cost...
 

ondarvr

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Re: Foam Question!

Sounds like you want to make a Boston Whaler. There are boats made this way, not normally in the 20 foot range though. The two part foams are at the low end of the foam strength scale and aren't really that durable, even thought the higher density ones can be very stiff and appear strong.
 

Coors

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Re: Foam Question!

Or do what Fourwinns did.
Putty in a 1x 6, shoot it with foam; shave the foam to 3x6, then glass that with 1/4 to 3/8" thickness of glass.(forgot) use 6 ply's of 3/4 plywood for motor mounts.

Just remember to cut the tops off the stringers, and dig out the foam, and re-pour with plastic and re-inforcing, and isolate the mounts from any water intrusion.

Then it will be good.
 

oops!

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Re: Foam Question!

the only good foam is the kind that comes outta the top o yer beer.!

your obivously thinking that strings rot...so get rid of em.....but you need em....

for flotation......personally i like the pfd's under the deck ider :eek:
 

lmannyr

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Re: Foam Question!

I boat doesn't have foam in it. Is this normal?
 
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