Found in a shed!

hdodt

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We found an old boat motor in my Grandmother-in-law's shed. Its a TD 20 Johnson Seahorse! This motor was my wife's great grandfathers. He passed away 23 years ago. Her grandmother told us that he gave it to her husband and he never used it. We figured it hadnt ran for over 25 years!.

I took the motor and put it on the back of my boat. After a few minutes of trying to figure out how to access the carb and such, I found the screws and we were in to it. Pulled the cap off the fuel tank cause you could hear the fuel sloshing around. About made me puke it smelled so bad. Dumped out what we could and filled it with good gas and some carb cleaner. I pulled the drain plug out of the bottom of the bowl on the carb and nothing came out. This to me was a good sign that at least the carb was ran dry or drained before it was stored. Unhooked the fuel line to the carb and drained the new dirty gas out, refilled and repeated till I got a good clear stream of fuel. Hooked the fuel line back up, filled the tank again and added 8oz of oil to the gallon of gas per the instructions. I opened the fuel shut off valve and fuel started to leak out all over the carb, but quickly stopped. I think the needle took a minute to find its home again. I primed the carb and adjusted both mixture needles to 3/4 turn from bottom. I was ready to see what we had.

On the very first pull, I had three quick fires and it died. The second pull it started and ran for about ten seconds then died again. After playing the start and die game for about five minutes it kept running. It was pumping water like a champ, and idled smooth. I couldnt believe that after all that time it took me less than a half an hour to get it running.

I took the engine off the boat and pulled the lower unit drain plug. The oil was clean, black and no sign of water. Drained it and refilled. Put the engine back on the boat and into the tub of water and started it back up again. It barely takes a quarter of a pull to start. In fact Im kinda embarrassed to say this but I reached down and turned the prop by hand and it started right up. Good thing I got my fingers outta the way. I was just trying to see if it was clutched or was direct drive. Anyway, set the throttle to about half and went in for some dinner. Came back out and it was still running strong.

I found the air/fuel mix adjustment on the underside to be very touchy and takes little adjustment to make a difference. I just have a few questions for any of you that are still with me here.

Is the lower air/fuel mix valve the high speed mix and the upper the idle mix?

It backfired out of the carb a couple times while I was adjusting the fuel mix, is this normal or something to be concerned about? I have never had a two stroke back fire on me before so I was surprised.

The last question I have is. The fuel oil mix says 1/2 pint (8oz) to one gallon. That is 16:1! It seems high to me, but what do I know. Would you run that rich of a mix in this engine?

Im happy with this engine and will try to keep it around so my son or grandsons can use it on one of their boats. Thanks in advance for any advice given.

D
 

stingertrey

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Re: Found in a shed!

Idk much about the year model but judging by the fuel to oil mixture calling for 16:1 mix is OLD school.. early 50's I think.. Good find, Take care of it
 

steelespike

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Re: Found in a shed!

TD20 was built 46-49.A smooth 5hp.bullet proof with any good care.
Little wire shaped adjustment under the front of the motor is the idle mixture.High speed adjust is by the little knob at the top of the motor.
Not unusual for a 2 stroke to sneeze if adjusted too lean.
Stick with the 1/2pt per gallon unless someone at www.aomci.org suggests
something different.
 

hamburgerman

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Re: Found in a shed!

Dont forget to do the impeller before you take it out on the water (just my 2 cents)
 

1946Zephyr

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Re: Found in a shed!

It seems that those are still quite common motors even today. If you need parts for it, then the AOMCI group is a good place to go. I happen to have a couple of them here myself that I need to fix up and get running. The ones I have, have been abused a bit, so it'll be a miracle if they will run.:D Engine Blade and Prop, or Seaway Marine may have new parts for those. Like hamburgerman says though, replace the impeller in that thing, to be on the safe side.:cool:
 

hdodt

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Re: Found in a shed!

It seems that those are still quite common motors even today. If you need parts for it, then the AOMCI group is a good place to go. I happen to have a couple of them here myself that I need to fix up and get running. The ones I have, have been abused a bit, so it'll be a miracle if they will run.:D Engine Blade and Prop, or Seaway Marine may have new parts for those. Like hamburgerman says though, replace the impeller in that thing, to be on the safe side.:cool:

Thanks, I was just about to ask where to find parts for this old girl. Ill check those places out and get an impeller for it. Thanks again,

D
 

steelespike

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Re: Found in a shed!

I did an amateur reprint of a tired old "general instructions"TD manual.a couple of pages ended up upside down I'll be glad to mail off one for you if you would like one.You could PM me your address.
 

aganser

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Re: Found in a shed!

Excellent motors!

Yes I agree please run it oil ratio at 16:1. These motors don't have roller bearings like modern ones do. Any leaner on the oil and the motor will appear to run fine but you'll drastically shorten it's life. You can use modern (even synthetic) 2 stroke outboard oil.
AOMCI.org is an excellent place to get advice. There are a few guys there that are TD20 experts. They've helped me a lot.
Parts are easy to get for them through many AOMCI members. Carefull, they may multiply. I put an add on the AOMCI website for a parts motor and/or parts and wound up with 2 more running motors for free!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n99FZIqruXQ

You can also get advice here:
http://hoodad.fortunecity.com/index2.html
This website started out as being just for the TD/HD Johnsons of that era but he has expanded it since.

Have fun with your toy! They're cool!

Bob
 

bkwapisz

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Re: Found in a shed!

Excellent motors!

Yes I agree please run it oil ratio at 16:1. These motors don't have roller bearings like modern ones do. Any leaner on the oil and the motor will appear to run fine but you'll drastically shorten it's life. You can use modern (even synthetic) 2 stroke outboard oil.
AOMCI.org is an excellent place to get advice. There are a few guys there that are TD20 experts. They've helped me a lot.
Parts are easy to get for them through many AOMCI members. Carefull, they may multiply. I put an add on the AOMCI website for a parts motor and/or parts and wound up with 2 more running motors for free!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n99FZIqruXQ

You can also get advice here:
http://hoodad.fortunecity.com/index2.html
This website started out as being just for the TD/HD Johnsons of that era but he has expanded it since.

Have fun with your toy! They're cool!

Bob



That's a cool video. I know what you mean when you say that they can multiply. LOL. Great job there, Bob.


Brian.
 

aganser

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Re: Found in a shed!

That's a cool video. I know what you mean when you say that they can multiply. LOL. Great job there, Bob.


Brian.

Thank you Brian,

They're fun! The motor on the right was one my Grandfather bought new in 1946. One of the first Johnson outboards sold in Northeast Wisconsin after WWII.

The other 2 are my freebies, I wanted to get a parts motor but I don't have the heart to part out a good running one. I do have the cowls for the middle one as well. Just got done tuning that one up that day.

Someday they'll all be candidates for a full cosmetic restoration. Paint and decals are available.

Bob
 

bkwapisz

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Re: Found in a shed!

Thank you Brian,

They're fun! The motor on the right was one my Grandfather bought new in 1946. One of the first Johnson outboards sold in Northeast Wisconsin after WWII.

The other 2 are my freebies, I wanted to get a parts motor but I don't have the heart to part out a good running one. I do have the cowls for the middle one as well. Just got done tuning that one up that day.

Someday they'll all be candidates for a full cosmetic restoration. Paint and decals are available.

Bob



I know what you mean. I have an old Mercury Keifahfer Rocket engine from the fifties that was my grandfather's (I never met him, he died exactly two years before I was born.) Anyway, it's in cherry condition and my dad and I used to go fishing with it when I was a kid. I learned how to drive a boat with it, and will never ger rid of it. It was challenging because there is no transmission and the start position of the throttle is 3/4 open, so you had to point the boat, pull, and hang on. Spent some time with it rebuilding/cleaning carb, etc. Can't seem to let it go. Fast forward a number of years and I own a total of 8 outboards of varying make/condition. It's a collection I guess. Was cheaper as a kid to collect nickels, now this. LOL. Anyway at the expense of sounding corny, I feel when I used it I was fishing with him. Weird, huh?

Cheers. Brian.
 

aganser

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Not weird at all Brian.

Those KE4 Rockets are cool motors. And the fact that it was your Grandfather's is a bonus too.
I also have a Mercury KG7 that my late father bought used when he was in high school in 1953. He ran it on a hydro back then. That motor has had a full cosmetic restoration, but I really need to get it out and run it.

My son also has an interest in these old motors. He too has a KE4 Rocket. We just finished a full repaint on it and he won best of show at a recent antique outboard meet. He also picked up a KE7 Lightning last year and spent this last summer tearing up the water with it on our 12 foot boat.

So lets see, we have 3 Mercs, 4 Johnsons (I have a 2.5 horse HD, little brother to the TD), plus a few other motors I hope to use as trading stock for parts for our "keepers".

This is a fun hobby and I've met some great people! But we do seem to be an "eccentric" group.

Bob
 

hdodt

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Re: Found in a shed!

Ok so I got an impeller ordered from Sea-Way. It will be here this week. Anyone wanna give me some advice on how to change it out. Again its a TD 20 Seahorse! Thanks in advance for any advice.

D
 

hdodt

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I would have probably tore half the motor apart looking for that. Thanks for the link.

D
 

oceansbreeze

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Re: Found in a shed!

nice little engine.... this is slightly off topic, but not really... I don't see a pee stream in the youtube video... Where / how is the water emitted from the engine? Lower end, through the hub?? (I'm no mechanic, just find these old gals interesting)
 

freddyray21

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that does not have an impeller like the modern motors, but a rotor type. They are fairly bullet proof if they don't get soaked in grease and easy to change. There is a small elbow where the water line comes out of the block and back into the leg. There is a small hole in that elbow if it's not clogged. That is the pee hole.
 

aganser

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Re: Found in a shed!

nice little engine.... this is slightly off topic, but not really... I don't see a pee stream in the youtube video... Where / how is the water emitted from the engine? Lower end, through the hub?? (I'm no mechanic, just find these old gals interesting)

Hard to see from the video but they all are peeing. On these motors there is a little elbow on the bottom right corner (as you face the motor) of the powerhead just below the lower shroud. In the elbow is a pee hole.

Bob
 
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