Front main seal replacement on FWD van.

CN Spots

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Naturally, a week before Christmas, the Admiral's van blows the front seal on the automatic transmission. Estimate to repair is around $650. That seal is about ten bucks. I'd tackle a regular transmission but the front wheel drive versions have me a little intimidated. Is this job something that can be done by the home mechanic or is it too complex?

'99 Ford Windstar

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Re: Front main seal replacement on FWD van.

I think $650 is a fair price for most brick and mortar shoppes.
Ain't no doubt in my kind knowing how the Ford is built that in order to fix it you drop the whole front subframe which carries the engine, transaxle and front suspension with it. Lift the bodycan off the sub with a hoist and then tear the motor off of the transmission and replace the seal.

Maybe the engine comes out the top and I'm all wet, either way. Not for the faint of heart and for the average at home mechanic=nightmare.
 

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Re: Front main seal replacement on FWD van.

Haynes or Chilton book.....

It can be done shadetree, if you have the right tools and equipment, and a buddy willing to do more than just drink beer. Not a one day job.



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Re: Front main seal replacement on FWD van.

99 windstar's are notorious for transmission issues. Usually it is the reverse and 1st gear to go due to seals. Just a dumb opinion however, if you were quoted 650 I would ask what that includes........ warranty, work they think it needs etc.

It might be worth the investment depending on the condition of the van.

Yes you can DIY as said above yourself plus a willing partner.
 

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Re: Front main seal replacement on FWD van.

Any job can be done DIY with the right tools and information. From my experience the Windstar van is that its a real pain in the butt to work on. I would shy away from doing it at home unless I had a hoist to work on.

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Re: Front main seal replacement on FWD van.

Check around to see if that's the going rate for that job.

It amazes me how much some shops charge!
Once you learn how it's done, you'll be amazed how easy it is.

My second FWD tranny I pulled, I had it out, on the ground in less than 30 minutes!
The first one took me about an hour...I had to make an engine 'holder-upper'.
You can get one cheap at Northern.
 

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Re: Front main seal replacement on FWD van.

Yea, it's absoloutly the last van I'll ever own. Everything has to be replaced by going through the tailpipe. This job sounds like a mess and after studying it this morning I see what some of you are talking about. Too much of an opportunity for me to do additional damage to a bunch of other stuff. Including my skull.:redface: Thanks for the input.
 

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Re: Front main seal replacement on FWD van.

I had the steering rack go out in my Aerostar 4WD van, I can get the rack for about $70, but the labor to replace it was almost $1000 the way Ford designed those vans, makes shops very happy!
 
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Re: Front main seal replacement on FWD van.

Ford aerostars are a much different animal than the windstars. The aerostars were made very well to run 200k . I have had 3 of them but must agree you have to drop the engine and tranny out from the bottom for any major work and this is almost impossible to do any place other than a shop with a lift and secure stands. Not for the novice by any means. There is a factory BUY BACK on some windstars now because of bad rear axles. I think the 99 is one of them. check and find out and maybe Ford will give you more cash for it then its worth and you will come out ahead.
 

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Re: Front main seal replacement on FWD van.

Oh, I know they are different animals, I have owned two Aerostars and a Windstar, I was just saying how Ford designed these things, so they ain't easy to work on in the normal home shop..
 

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Re: Front main seal replacement on FWD van.

Ford aerostars are a much different animal than the windstars. The aerostars were made very well to run 200k . I have had 3 of them but must agree you have to drop the engine and tranny out from the bottom for any major work and this is almost impossible to do any place other than a shop with a lift and secure stands. Not for the novice by any means. There is a factory BUY BACK on some windstars now because of bad rear axles. I think the 99 is one of them. check and find out and maybe Ford will give you more cash for it then its worth and you will come out ahead.

I'll certainly check into this. Thanks!
 

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Re: Front main seal replacement on FWD van.

Yep here some of it.

The automaker said Wednesday that it was adding 37,000 minivans to the initial recall. The addition brings the total number of Windstars covered to 612,000 in the U.S. and Canada.
The original recall included vans sold in the 1998 to 2003 model years in 21 U.S. states and Canada where heavy road salt can cause the axles to rust. The corrosion can lead to cracks that can cause the axles to break.
The recall expansion includes 2003 model-year vans with heat-treated axles. It also includes vans registered in Utah, where road salt is used in some areas.

Ford had been checking state motor vehicle registration databases to find Windstar owners in the affected states.
It began notifying owners of the additional 37,000 vans about the recall on Dec. 6.
 

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Re: Front main seal replacement on FWD van.

As a former Ford tech, and an owner of a 98 Windstar that I have managed to keep on the road to tthis day, I will give you the low down on the job you are inquiring about.

First a little insight on the Windstar, the drivetrain of a Windstar is nothing more than a Taurus drivetrain with a minivan body, the transmissions are notoriously weak. Most start to show signs of upcoming failure with hard shifts and if you keep a close eye on it.....overdive dropping in and out at highway speeds (usually denoted by a rpm drop/rise of about 200rpm).

Often times the front seal on the trans isn't actually failing, what is happening is that the torque converter is failing and overheating, thus boiling the trans fluid, it then forces the boiling fluid through the front seal because it has nowhere else to go.

It is very common practice to replace the torque converter when replacing the front seal because to replace a $10 seal and put it back together to find out it was the converter causes many a headache and extra money spent on labor.

The truly best way to remedy the situation is to have the trans rebuilt by a reputable shop, if they are worth their salt they will rebuild it with all of the later upgrades (and there were alot of them) and also have them replace the converter...................now the big problem.

It would run about $1500-$2000 to get it done and the vans are not worth that in resale value.

A good way to check it is to use an IR temp gun, check the temps on the trans cooler lines in and out of the trans, this will tell you if it's an overheating issue caused by the converter, another thing that commonly causes it is the trans cooler portion of the radiator becoming clogged.
 

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Re: Front main seal replacement on FWD van.

The recalls seem to be limited to Northern states due to salt corrosion. MS is currently not eligible. One of the numbers that I saw was over 230 reported cases of axles snapping! How are these things legal to have on the road?!:eek:

Sixmark- Thanks for the additional info!
 

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Re: Front main seal replacement on FWD van.

Actually 230 cases of snapping axles is a very low percentage of the total vehicle production and I think if you were to do a search on any vehicle produced you will find most of them have had problems of one type of another, I know my first Jeep Grand had a massive amount of problems, transmission replaced twice in the first year, due to bad valving systems in it...that could cause the tranny to lock up at speed...
 

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Re: Front main seal replacement on FWD van.

It's low unless you're one of the 230.;) Bad electronics and engine/tranny problems are one thing but an axle snapping completely in half? That could ruin your whole day.

One of the sites had reports of dealer lots up North filled with Windstars that had failed inspection after the recall and were waiting for repairs.

The curse of the Pinto strikes again.
 

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Re: Front main seal replacement on FWD van.

Snapping an axle is most likely no worse than a busted ball joint or busted tie rod end really.
You just hope it does not cause you to hit 2 cars, a pedestrian and end up in a ditch under a snapped off telephonepole, but it can happen.
Talking on the cell phone and other fun stuff can cause the same thing.

I love cars but car accidents suck. Good luck with the ultimate fix.
 

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Re: Front main seal replacement on FWD van.

It's low unless you're one of the 230.;) Bad electronics and engine/tranny problems are one thing but an axle snapping completely in half? That could ruin your whole day.

One of the sites had reports of dealer lots up North filled with Windstars that had failed inspection after the recall and were waiting for repairs.

The curse of the Pinto strikes again.

I would rather have an axle snap, that the but of my car blow up! :eek:

I agree, it is low unless you are one of those that have and axle snap..

But believe me, you DON'T want your auto tranny to freeze up when you are tooling down the freeway at 65 mph, makes for a very scary situation!

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