Fusing the negative circut of ACRs and other relays

Auger01

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I pulled this off the BlueSea website. Anyone doing this on thier ACRs or add a battery's? I didnt realize it was a problem.

http://bluesea.com/files/resources/technical_briefs/fusing_neg_circuit_ACRs.pdf

Technical Brief: Fusing the Negative Circuit of ACRs and Other Electric Relays
May 15, 2007
Problem. Electric switches such as automatic charging relays (ACRs), battery combiners
load shedding devices, and zero-drop isolators all contain a high-amp circuit and a lowamp
circuit. Wires connected to the high-amp circuit typically are large; wires connected
to the low-amp circuit typically are small. Many of these devices have suitable insulation
or separation between the low-amp circuit and the high-amp circuit to prevent a short
from occurring between the low-amp circuit and high-amp circuit. Some of these devices
especially those containing electronic circuits, may not have sufficient separation or
insulation to prevent a short circuit if exposed to moisture or damage.
If a short circuit occurs between the high-amp circuit and the low-amp circuit, high
current flows through the low-amp circuit. The low-amp circuit small gauge wire isn?t
suitable to carry high current. When high current flows through this small gauge wire, it
may heat up enough for the insulation to melt and to cause a fire.
Solution. A solution is to add a fuse to the negative wire in the low amp circuit. A 10A
fuse is adequate protection for the small wires typically used in the low-amp circuits,
and it won?t result in nuisance trips. A fuse will blow before fault currents exceed the
capacity of the negative wire. Fusing in the negative is unusual, but in this case it makes
sense because the capacity in the high-amp wiring is so much higher than the capacity
of the low-amp wire.
 

Don S

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Re: Fusing the negative circut of ACRs and other relays

They found a potential problem, and suggest you put a fuse in, so what's the big deal?

Or would you rather have a fire?
 

KD4UPL

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Re: Fusing the negative circut of ACRs and other relays

I have a Blue Sea ACR. I don't have a fuse in the small negative wiring. I never thought about it. They do raise an interesting point. Some other electrical equipment that I install frequently has the same type of requirements. It's a pretty similar situation to the ACR. Maybe I should install a fuse.
 

Auger01

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Re: Fusing the negative circut of ACRs and other relays

They found a potential problem, and suggest you put a fuse in, so what's the big deal?

No big deal here, just asking a question. Fusing the negative is a bit unusual. It is a small detail that I thought (correctly, btw) some might have missed.

Or would you rather have a fire?

I do like a good fire, just only in my fireplace. That is why I started this thread.
 

etracer68

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Re: Fusing the negative circut of ACRs and other relays

Seems a bit odd to me as well, I have been told to ALWAYS fuse, and or switch the positve, or hot leg. But Im a Toolmaker, not a Electrician.
 

Don S

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Re: Fusing the negative circut of ACRs and other relays

Since the ACR is an enclosed unit, and sealed, there is no place to put a fuse for the low amperage control circuits and the LED. So Bluesea added a fuse to the ground wire.
Granted, fuses and switches are typically done in the positive side of the system, and not the negative, but there are times when the "General" rule has exceptions. This is one of those cases.
Back in the 70's Chris Craft boats used fuses in the Negative wires on their boats. but the BIA standard changed all that and put them to the Positive side of the system.
The fuse still does the same thing, if that fuse blows, there is no current flow in the control circuit of the ACR and it stops working.
I would bet that after they had started manufacturing the relays they discovered the mistake of no fuse or built in breaker and just continued using the fuse in the negative side.
On the larger ACR's built by Bluesea, the power for the control and senseing circuits is done through the ignition wiring and the ignition systems are fuese. They don't have the fuse in the negative.
Only the small compact units of 120 A or less.
 
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