Gear Lube in Bilge after first run of season

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Greetings all and thanks in advance for any advice you can provide for my problem.

Here's the basics with further detail and questions below:
  • 2004 Chaparral 220ssi Merc 5.0 Alpha I
  • No History of gear lube leaks
  • Recent Impeller replacement and bellows reattachment at shop
  • Refill of lube monitor to just above upper operating range line
  • No lube leaks from lower unit while trailered
  • First run of season produced lube leak from top monitor cap
  • Lube observed in bilge
  • Oil slicks appearing on water from lower unit area
  • Lube level in monitor decreased about 1/2" during short run
  • No observable lube leaks after trailering boat

Boat is a 2004 Chaparral with Merc 5.0 and Alpha I drive. A few weeks ago I took it to the shop for a preventative impeller change. While changing the impeller they also found the bellows had become detached, so I obviously had them reattach it. I do not believe the replaced any seals during this work.

When picking up the boat from the shop, there was a significant amount of gear lube under the drive and still on the drive. The tech said they just spilled some while removing the drive components for the impeller replacement and bellows reattachment. Gear lube continued to drip from drive for a week or so, but could have just been spillage working its way out. Meanwhile, gear lube monitor level had dropped to bottom of container. I refilled gear lube myself with pump from bottom of drive (accidentally left monitor cap on during most of refill). Filled monitor to just above upper 'operating range' line but 1/2" or so below the top of the container. I checked for any gear lube leaks for 2 weeks on the trailer and found none on the outdrive and the monitor level stayed constant.

First run of the year yesterday and ran at 3500rpm for 20-30 minutes. Pulled up on the beach and started smelling gear lube after a few minutes. Opened the hatch and notice monitor had lube on top of it and some had clearly leaked out of the lid. Monitor level had gone down 1/2" or so to just below operating range line. There was some gear lube in the bilge floating on top of the small amount of water in the bilge. The amount of lube in the bilge appears to be more than the amount lost in the monitor, but hard to estimate obviously. I also started looking closely at the outdrive in the water at the beach. Small oil slicks were appaearing from the drive area. I raised the drive to the trailering position and the oil slick seemed to get worse. Trailered the boat and there is no observable gear lube leak on the outdrive. Monitor level is holding constant and no sign of milky color. Possibly some oily residue on the upper portion of the outdrive, but can't say if that is new.

So now for the questions:
Did I simply have a lube expansion in an overfilled monitor that pushed oil out of monitor and spilled into the bilge?
During impeller and bellows work, could the mechanic have damaged a seal or improperly reassembled?
Could water be entering the lube system and displacing oil?
What is the source of the oil slicks in the water near the drive?
On a scale of 1-10, how serious would you rate this problem? Seems it could be as simple as an overflow of the monitor, or as bad as water incursion into lower unit.

Your advice is greatly appreciated!
 

Bt Doctur

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When picking up the boat from the shop, there was a significant amount of gear lube under the drive and still on the drive. The tech said they just spilled some while removing the drive components for the impeller replacement and bellows reattachment

A sloppy shop and you drain the drive before working on it

Gear lube continued to drip from drive for a week or so, but could have just been spillage working its way out

You have a leak

Monitor level had gone down 1/2" or so to just below operating range line.

you have a leak

Small oil slicks were appaearing from the drive area. I raised the drive to the trailering position and the oil slick seemed to get worse.

bellow leaking or filled with gear lube from a bad seal

Did I simply have a lube expansion in an overfilled monitor that pushed oil out of monitor and spilled into the bilge?

Most likely Yes

During impeller and bellows work, could the mechanic have damaged a seal or improperly reassembled?

Yes

What is the source of the oil slicks in the water near the drive

gear oil in the bellows or leaking trim cylinder rams


On a scale of 1-10, how serious would you rate this problem?

How large is your wallet to make repairs when the drive fails
 

Scott Danforth

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in case you did not understand BD's post....you have a leak
 
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Thanks for the response Bt Doctur. At the risk of being dense, could the gear lube have overflowed the monitor, ran down into the bilge, then escaped the hull thru some route creating the oil slick? I know it's a bit of a reach, but I'm trying to ensure I have eliminated the silly stuff before returning it to the shop and telling them they need to make it right. What is the most likely source of the leak based on the work the shop performed? How would gear lube get into the bellows?

The shop is frankly a bit sloppy and this will end my business with them. But I want them to correct a problem they seem to have created.
 

scoflaw

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Probably the rubber hose that connects from the transom to the bell housing.
 

Bt Doctur

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While changing the impeller they also found the bellows had become detached,

If you mean the U joint bellows then water was in there and may have rusted the yoke and caused the seal to start leaking
 

Benny67

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My money's on the shaft seal in the upper housing was damaged or the shaft itself was dirty and it's causing a leak.

MAYBE the top seal near the u joint is bad.

Sloppy workmanship or basically just not knowing better would be the cause. Either way your gonna need to at least pressure test the drive and see where the leak was.

A reputable show would have pressure tested it before AND after the work was done.

I say check for leaks before because who would want this trouble. The guy comes in for a impeller, proper procedure should be confirming the drive wasn't leaking before dismantling it..now it's leaking and it's leaving hard feelings on you because you THOUGHT they were doing the correct job.
 

Rick Stephens

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SO you don't say which bellows was detached, I would guess the exhaust bellows since otherwise it would be a bigger job than just telling you it was detached, but you need to know for sure. One way or another, something ain't right after they worked on it. If they did something, like leave the water passage o-ring out, then water would have filled the u-joint bellows and then started pumping into the outdrive. If they screwed up the water pump seal, same thing can happen, water pumps under pressure into the drive overfilling it and forcing oil out the monitor. In addition, if the water pump seal is damaged, the drive will leak oil out of the little drain holes while it is sitting. They also could have damaged the upper units lower seal putting the drive halves back together.

At this point, as recommended, your drive will need to be pulled, drained and pressure tested and anything screwed up fixed. Not sure I'd let those guys work on it, though. They seem to be more interested in CYAing their a$$es.

Rick
 
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Thanks again for the input guys. I’ll add a couple updates. I checked the o ring inside the monitor cap and it’s definitely there. Upon trailering and parking the boat on a level surface the monitor level appears to have only slightly gone down...maybe 1/4”. I pulled the hull drain plug and drained the bilge as thoroughly as possible into a clear plastic container. Only a very small amount of gear lube was observed....perhaps no more than potentially came out the top of the monitor. I’ll attach a couple pictures of the detached bellows that the shop sent me to help identify the bellows.

So now, with only a small amount of gear lube in the bilge and a small amount missing from the monitor, I’m wondering if it was a simple small overflow that smelled strong because it ran over hot engine components? But that still doesn’t explain the oil slick from the transom?!?
 
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Detached bellows pics from the shop prior to replacement to help with troubleshooting
 

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Rick Stephens

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That's the exhaust bellows. Looks in pretty good condition. Know that if it were to fall off entirely it wouldn't hurt anything or leak anything other than exhaust before getting to the prop.

I would still be thinking about whether you have a leak or not. It takes a couple minutes to pull the sterndrive and look things over. Might need a new bellhousing gasket as they can be damaged when the drive is removed. After running it for a while, and then parking it, does the drive stay clean or is there still a leak?
 
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Thanks for the info on the bellows Rick.

I've only run the boat one day this season for an hour or so. Since it has been back on the trailer I have not noticed any additional gear lube leaks from the lower unit or in the bilge. The monitor level has stayed the same for about three days that it's been on the trailer.
 

nola mike

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If your level keeps going down, you may be leaking into the bellows and not know it (the ujoint bellows, not the exhaust) unless you pull the drive.
 

Benny67

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If your level keeps going down, you may be leaking into the bellows and not know it (the ujoint bellows, not the exhaust) unless you pull the drive.

I've seen that before...it's a strong possibility. I'd need that advice
 
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