General Fiberglassing Questions for Floor and Transom.

ElHurrecan

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I have a thread going where I'm restoring the floor and transom on an old "Hurrecan" skiff (If you're interested see my post history). I'm going with epoxy and from advice from another thread I will be ordering 1700 no-mat bi axial for everything.

A few questions

1. How should the final product look?

A buddy is doing a restoration on an old Whaler. He used 1708-biaxial (his had mat) with epoxy and his finished product looks as follows. Should the mat be "white" with clear spots or does that indicate the resin did not completely work it's way into the mat? His application technique was to wet the glass base, lay the mat, then brush resin into the mat. He used a finroller to work out bubbles.

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2. Application technique

Most of the videos I see online are for either small repairs or polyester resin. I see the resin applied with a roller. Do you recommend a roller over a brush? I will be doing flat areas (floor and transom).

3. Overlapping the 1700 mat

My boat is 55" wide. Given that the mat is sold in 36" widths I have to overlap. Should the mat overlap? This will obviously create a hump. Is the following a good plan to lay the mat? Essentially I tab in the floors (going a few inches onto the floor and up the hull, lay a piece of mat down the center, then overlap the center map and tabbing with a third layer.

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(Full Res - https://www.iboats.com/sites/defaul.../public/images/gallery/test.png?itok=UqwXZaUs)
4. Finishing

Given that I'm using the 1700 mat the "weave" pattern may show through. I also have the humps from the overlapping to deal with. Would pouring a layer of epoxy thickened w\ fairing compound (West Systems 410) across the whole floor be a good idea? My plan is to cover everything with a uniform layer of epoxy in a similar way to pouring self-leveling concrete. I also have something to sand into as opposed to the glass.
 

Grub54891

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It may be the lighting, but the whole layup looks dry. If it is, start over.
 

kcon

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In my limited experience, using epoxy with 1708 and having white spots means that area didn't absorb enough resin and is an air bubble/weak spot. Typically you don't want to use mat with epoxy, it takes a ton of epoxy to completely wet it out and is generally wasteful of epoxy to use that much. Mat, which is what 1708 is backed with, is held together with an adhesive that is designed to break down in polyester resin, making it much more compatible/effective with polyester resins.

Anyway when I used 1708 with west systems 105 epoxy I had the same results - lot's of inconsistencies, wastes of epoxy, and air spots, I had to grind out the white areas and patch them. I very quickly moved on to using 17oz fiberglass without any matting, with much more success.

For my project I'm only using epoxy with mat for cosmetic repairs, because it sands well for a pretty smooth surface.
 

Scott Danforth

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the glass doesnt look right. fire up the grinder and start over.

no where near enough grinding to begin with.
 

ElHurrecan

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Ayuh,..... Welcome Aboard,...... #4 is a Bad idea,.....

Out of curiosity what makes this a bad idea? I was thinking it would give me a nice uniform surface that is easy to sand. It would also fill in any elevation changes from the overlap.

how else would I solve these problems (hiding the weave on 1700 and changes in elevation from overlap)? Just sand the glass smooth?
 

Woodonglass

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epoxy is a stronger resin than poly and has its own binder built in so it will waterproof a bit better. I would NOT overlap I would butt joint all of it. it'll be fine. On your friends boat, I agree that it wasn't prepped right and the glass work is NOT up to appropriate standards Lots of grinding ahead if he wants it right. When you use epoxy and biax it should be almost perfectly clear with just a bit of the biax weave showing through
 
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