Grady White Transom Rebuild

VeroWing

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I am currently rebuilding the transom on my 22' 1984 Grady White Seafarer. I thoroughly researched options for this rebuild, and gathered many opinions from both pros and amateurs. Below, is link where I documented with pics the various stages of this repair.

This is a work in progress, and I should have it all finished up pretty soon. I will add the remaining steps as I complete them. I hope this will help others get an idea of the various steps to this transom rebuild. Mike



http://forums.bateau2.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=19949
 
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Re: Grady White Transom Rebuild

good luck, keep it com'n along. How come you choose plywood over seacast ? also are you bracketing the twins or hanging them on the back ?
 

berry79

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Re: Grady White Transom Rebuild

Looks good. Keep the pics coming. I'd like to see how the floor splice turns out.
 

VeroWing

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Re: Grady White Transom Rebuild

good luck, keep it com'n along. How come you choose plywood over seacast ? also are you bracketing the twins or hanging them on the back ?

I did a ton of research on the best way to rebuild transom, and during my search read more than a few negative comments regarding seacast-like repairs. My original plan was to do a seacast poured transom, but after even more research decided to do a more traditional repair.

Negative things I found regarding seacast-like pours, were that they become brittle and subject to shattering if lower unit strikes a solid object or rear hull bumps dock solidly. Read also that pour material becomes extremely hot and actually bubbles gelcoat in some instances. Can't be sure if product is bonding to inside of transom space, and that air pockets can easily be formed with this method. Let me say again that, I have never used these products, nor seen any of these results, this is strictly information I found while doing search on this type of transom rebuild.

I go offshore too far, too many times, to take any chances on any repair that will not be 200% secure. Plywood is flexible, and if installed properly and totally encapsulated, will last indefinitly. Plywood goes bad when left exposed when built because of bad design or shoddy workmanship, or exposed when owners or workers wrongly install hardware, etc.. Any screwhole locations on transom where I am adding trim tabs, transducer, etc., will first be drilled out to a larger diameter, filled with an epoxy paste, and after setting up, redrilled at correct size for screw. This will keep screws and screwholes outside of the transom wood protection barrier.

I will be hanging motors off of the hull with no bracket. I considered installing a bracket, but in all honesty, I don't like fishing around them.


Jerseysportfisher, I used to fish the "Monster Ledge" and "Chicken Canyon" a lot, out of the Highlands, and Atlantic Highlands. Mike
 

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Re: Grady White Transom Rebuild

You definately heard a lot of opinions but no experience on the seacast.

The BPO catalyst used cannot get anywhere near hot enough to blister gelcoat or anything else. Thats a good one.:p Utter nonesense.

I've tried breaking it with a sledgehammer, I know I could turn ply into splinters.

Theres a few "experts" on boatbuilder.net who said theres no such thing as transom in a can, so seacast sent them some gal buckets to sample, they shut up.

Opinion prior to investigation ( experience) are often rooted in fear , people used to know that, but somewhere that info got lost.
 

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Re: Grady White Transom Rebuild

You like it, then good for you. I chose to go another route.
 
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Re: Grady White Transom Rebuild

I did a ton of research on the best way to rebuild transom, and during my search read more than a few negative comments regarding seacast-like repairs. My original plan was to do a seacast poured transom, but after even more research decided to do a more traditional repair.

Negative things I found regarding seacast-like pours, were that they become brittle and subject to shattering if lower unit strikes a solid object or rear hull bumps dock solidly. Read also that pour material becomes extremely hot and actually bubbles gelcoat in some instances. Can't be sure if product is bonding to inside of transom space, and that air pockets can easily be formed with this method. Let me say again that, I have never used these products, nor seen any of these results, this is strictly information I found while doing search on this type of transom rebuild.

I go offshore too far, too many times, to take any chances on any repair that will not be 200% secure. Plywood is flexible, and if installed properly and totally encapsulated, will last indefinitly. Plywood goes bad when left exposed when built because of bad design or shoddy workmanship, or exposed when owners or workers wrongly install hardware, etc.. Any screwhole locations on transom where I am adding trim tabs, transducer, etc., will first be drilled out to a larger diameter, filled with an epoxy paste, and after setting up, redrilled at correct size for screw. This will keep screws and screwholes outside of the transom wood protection barrier.

I will be hanging motors off of the hull with no bracket. I considered installing a bracket, but in all honesty, I don't like fishing around them.


Jerseysportfisher, I used to fish the "Monster Ledge" and "Chicken Canyon" a lot, out of the Highlands, and Atlantic Highlands. Mike

very interesting, would like to see how it comes out. Thats funny, was just out at the Glory this past sat came back through to the princess. I'm slipped on the other side of earle.
 
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Re: Grady White Transom Rebuild

You definately heard a lot of opinions but no experience on the seacast.

The BPO catalyst used cannot get anywhere near hot enough to blister gelcoat or anything else. Thats a good one.:p Utter nonesense.

I've tried breaking it with a sledgehammer, I know I could turn ply into splinters.

Theres a few "experts" on boatbuilder.net who said theres no such thing as transom in a can, so seacast sent them some gal buckets to sample, they shut up.

Opinion prior to investigation ( experience) are often rooted in fear , people used to know that, but somewhere that info got lost.

jones, where can i find some more real world experience with this stuff, evidentilly i want to hang a bracket and 2 yammi 250's on this.
 

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Re: Grady White Transom Rebuild

Many of us here on iBoats have used it with no adverse results, some guys have used nidacore, similar idea but half the price. If there was a downside the warning would be all over this board.

Seacast will send you a sample to try , just tell them what you want to do and voice your concerns.

They had one failure, a guy tried to mold a bracket from it, did it wrong and it cracked. Its a core material, he probably didn't glass it.
 

jonesg

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Re: Grady White Transom Rebuild

You like it, then good for you. I chose to go another route.

Theres nothing wrong with ply.
I like what works and either way works great.
If I were starting out ripping out the stringers then ply is a sensible route.

But what I hear is hilarious, its the same thing they were saying about those newfangled fiberglass hulls 40 yrs ago.
 

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Re: Grady White Transom Rebuild

Theres nothing wrong with ply.
I like what works and either way works great.
If I were starting out ripping out the stringers then ply is a sensible route.

But what I hear is hilarious, its the same thing they were saying about those newfangled fiberglass hulls 40 yrs ago.

Well, to be honest, I read many more positive comments on the seacast-type rebuilds than negatives. It was my intention to go that route when I began the project, but as I got deeper into it, and discovered how severe the wood damage was in my transom, it made more sense to me to change plans.

When I first started I cut only top of notch area off and started digging out wood. After going down over 16-18", using sawsaw, chainsaw, 3' crowbar, etc., and still getting bad wood both going down and out to sides, it became more and more difficult to access these areas.
gradywhitetransomrepairday2004.jpg


The rough dimensions of this transom are, almost 8' width, 25" down from notch to bottom, 16" up from notch to top on both sides, and 2" width inside transom fiberglass. On top of this, transom was being raised three (3) inches to place newly installed twin engines at optimum running height.

I then cut notch side caps off and knew then that all wood had to be removed. It was at that time I weighed seacast repair to a conventional rebuild. I considered things like, how will I ever completely remove rotten wet wood from inside transom, how can I ever be sure that interior fiberglass will be cleaned and prepped enough to accept and bond securely to seacast product, how will I get the seacast product to go higher up on the sides (16" up from notch) than the notch area that is opened up, how will I be sure that seacast product will completely pour around existing cockpit drains, bilge drains, upper and lower corners, without air pockets (weak points).

Another consideration was that I am removing a single outboard and adding twins. Roughly 800lbs + will be hanging back there, and all my boating is offshore. With all due respect to you jonesg, hitting a piece of plywood with a sledgehammer is nothing like falling off an 8-10' wave in a 5000+lb boat (with engines, fuel, gear, occupants) and having twin engines dig in and climb up over the next one, for hours at a time. I don't say this to question your boating skills, only to point out that I know for a fact that four (4) layers of 1/2" marine plywood encapsulated with fiberglass will serve me well in conditions like this, as well as when and if I strike a hard object with my outboards, or smack a dock too hard, etc.. I know this, because I have done it, more times than I cared to.

I know, from being a carpenter for 35 years, that I can easily handle this type of repair using conventional material. I also know that if I completely encapsulate this wood with multi layers of epoxy coated fiberglass, that it will last indefinitly. Weighing all of this, as well as info found while researching seacast-type repairs, I came to the conclusion that for me, even though it would be more work, that rebuilding with top grade marine type plywood, and superior epoxy, would be the way I would perform this project.


So, bottom line for myself, and the best course for this rebuild in my point of view, was to go with the tried and true method.
I'm sure that a seacast-type repair could most likely achieve similar results if done properly, and problems I saw when considering using it were resolved. If it were a lesser height transom perhaps, or going straight across without a notch, or one of many other configurations, then it would most likely be a viable alternative.
Mike
 

VeroWing

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Re: Grady White Transom Rebuild

Finished up transom rebuild, and mounted twin outboards. Started laying out harnesses, hydraulic lines, cables, etc., for rigging them up. Transom came out beautiful, better than new, with no water trapping aluminum molding around transom notch.

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marienjohn

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Re: Grady White Transom Rebuild

what consideration did you give to the weight of the twin engines. i have seen that weight can be a problem with the open transom and affect handling. have an 87 seafarer 22 with notched transom. have been considering repair and bracket install but like your twin tohatsu set up.
 
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