Grinding and the Neighbors????

Squid Billy

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He Guy's,

Well I have started to grind the inside of the hull out yesterday. My girlfriend whom lives next door says; "Your lucky it's me that lives right next door and she loves me and is willing to put up with it for a SHORT TIME (I live in a corner) or she would be making phone calls to someone to complain. :eek: I understand totally! The hull acts as a mega phone and amplifies the sound like nobody's business.

I have only been grinding for about 2 hour and, well, ... you know, ... I'm going to be at it a bit longer than that for a 17' trihull.


What do I do now?

How can I control the sound, or better yet, ... how do I control the Neighbors? :D
 

thrillhouse700

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Re: Grinding and the Neighbors????

Garage, then tent it in plastic. The garage will muffle a lot of the noise, the plastic will keep the grindings from floating into the neighbors yard.

We did ours outside on the driveway, the neighbors all say they enjoy watching us build it. Who knows if they are just being nice haha. BUT, the grinding is all done and the most noise we make now is skill saw and sander related which is no where near as loud.
 

Squid Billy

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Re: Grinding and the Neighbors????

Garage, then tent it in plastic. The garage will muffle a lot of the noise, the plastic will keep the grindings from floating into the neighbors yard.

We did ours outside on the driveway, the neighbors all say they enjoy watching us build it. Who knows if they are just being nice haha. BUT, the grinding is all done and the most noise we make now is skill saw and sander related which is no where near as loud.

thrillhouse700;

Hmmm, I have a one car garage converted to a shop. I cant even comfortably fit my 4th roll-away tool box. It just seems to float everywhere I'm not.

Any other ideas?
 

Bondo

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Re: Grinding and the Neighbors????

The hull acts as a mega phone and amplifies the sound like nobody's business.

Ayuh,... Drape shipping/ packing blankets, or tarps, or old blankets, or Whatever over the hull wherever you can to cut the resonance....
 

Squid Billy

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Re: Grinding and the Neighbors????

Now were cooking with gas!

Thanks Bond-o ;)

Sounds like a great option, ... Anyone have any other ideas?


Bill
 

micks110

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Re: Grinding and the Neighbors????

Like bondo said. Or pray for a windy or rainy day so it knocks the noise down for you:)
I had the same issue when I started mine and the only time I could get on it was after 8pm. You can also try to get a bulk of it done during the day- nobody can really say anything to you then about the noise.
Good luck
 

BobsGlasstream

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Re: Grinding and the Neighbors????

Squid Billy,
I have a tent over mine and nobody ever complained. However I do live in the country. :p If my wife would have heard it nothing would have stopped her from complaining, so it must not have been to bad.
The tarp is tight against the sides which would stop them from vibrating.
Bob
 

Darren Nemeth

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Re: Grinding and the Neighbors????

I lived in a small town late last year with worse-case-senario stoner neighbors who chained a dog up along the bedroom side of my house. They never fed it or gave it water and it barked ALL DAY EVERY DAY.

It became such a nuescence that I had no problem with turning my grinder on and also gladly sending a cloud of fiberglass dust to their yard with a compressor. :mad:

I moved from that house because of those people.
 

F14CRAZY

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Re: Grinding and the Neighbors????

I never thought of power tools disturbing the neighbors but I can see how it could. I'm in the country and the neighbors are far enough away...I've been outside grinding past midnight before and no complaints :D
 

SKIBUM1M

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Re: Grinding and the Neighbors????

I used a 7 inch 36grit sanding disk on a sander/buffer and it cut alot of the noise down as well as making the grinding go alot faster.
 

Squid Billy

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Re: Grinding and the Neighbors????

Hey Guy's,

Thanks for all the great suggestions! ;)

Here is a little history of my real problem;

Before I started to look at buying a boat I called the city were I live about parking and what not to make sure I did everything by the law. I live in the desert (Hesperia Ca.)(renting) and and the street I live on has no sidewalk, curb or anything like that. From the property line, to the edge of the road is 15', plenty of room. The city said that I am legally "NOT" aloud to park it on the street. They said that I need to store the boat in my driveway or backyard. Well since I live on the corner lot, my backyard is about 8' deep (basically, not big enough). My side yard is a no go also because the boat can bee seen from the side street. I had them come out and look. The Gal in charge of it said that "if I park it on the street it would be ("OK") as long as they didn't get any complaints from the neighbors". This was all good "until" they got a new employee that is a stickler by the book. Well he flagged the boat so I called the Gal in charge up and said, "what's up?"

She told me that I can no longer keep the boat on the street and that their is nothing she can do about it because the new guy flagged it.

WTF! :mad: :mad: :mad:

Also they have this law that you cannot work on a vehicle in plain site (again the backyard issue.

Ok, well I put the cap on the side of the house and built a temporary fence 4' high with 4x4 post, 2x4 horizontal upper and lower rails and brown tarps as the main panels with trim (roughly $100.00 out of pocket.) It looks really nice and I didn't tie it to the house and the post were just popped in the ground so their is nothing permanent just in case they feel like complaining.

I am afraid that when the grinding continues, the neighbors might call the city and then they will cry about working on the boat in the driveway so I need to be very "under the radar". :cool:

Looks like I have to get the grinding done FAST and when the city comes, I go tell them to go pound sand, I tried to do this right!

I will tell them to take me to court, (takes 60 - 90 days) by that time, hopefully the boat will be finished by that time. If I win, great, if not then I'll just pay the fine, I guess. :rolleyes:

Grinding isn't that bad, it's the crap that goes with it, like the CITY!

Sorry for the rant, ... but I need a solution to the noise.
 

mortaz

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Re: Grinding and the Neighbors????

You can do as I done
Use fan controller and fix it on your grinder supply line, use grinding disc 1 mm thick, and if you can ask your next door for the time that you can work
:rolleyes:
 

wa_ssv197

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Re: Grinding and the Neighbors????

Your city should have a noise ordinance. In my city you have to be quiet after 10pm, below a certain decible level.
When grinding my hull down, I would stop at dinner time for the day. Not a single complaint about the grinding was made.
 

BobsGlasstream

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Re: Grinding and the Neighbors????

Squid Billy,
I got a solution for you. :p
Buy a power inverter for you truck, Hook the boat up go out into the desert and grind like mad then bring it back home. The wind will even clean some of the grinding dust out of the boat. :p Ha!Ha!
Have fun
Bob
 

SKIBUM1M

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Re: Grinding and the Neighbors????

I think Bob is on to a good Idea. if you cant afford a generator just get alot of extension cords.
 

joza

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Re: Grinding and the Neighbors????

Personally, I really don't care what the neighbors think. They make their share of noise with all the company they have at their pool in the summer. If it's not the pool, they're riding their quads. I think that as long as your not doing it at all hours of the night you'd be cool. If you're worried about them, pay them a visit. Tell them what you'll be doing and when. I'm sure they'd be alright with it.
 

DukesFin

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Re: Grinding and the Neighbors????

Here's my suggestion...

Go to the neighbors and explain what you are doing and why you are doing it. Let them know exactly what to expect with the grinding and come up with a "work schedule" that you can let them know about. Ask them if they have any problems with it.

I think it's important to guess as best you can, how many days you are expecting this to go on before you approach your neighbors. You may want to offer them a case of beer or bottle of wine to help with sound abatement!

Most people are pretty forgiving if they know what's going on and what to expect. Most people are very forgiving if you actually go to them FIRST before getting them angry!

If that doesn't work, tell them to take you to court and be really sure you're done before the court date!!!!!!

No, really... Communication goes a LONG way with most situations. You don't want to find your trailer tires slashed every weekend after you're done so not getting the neighbors upset is paramount!

Good luck!
 

erikgreen

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Re: Grinding and the Neighbors????

Grinding isn't that bad, it's the crap that goes with it, like the CITY!

Sorry for the rant, ... but I need a solution to the noise.


Not sure if you know the story of my first boat, but here's a short version (short, believe it or not), just to let you know you're not alone.

I bought the first one, a 22 footer, from a place in Wisconsin that sells donated boats. It came with a trailer that needed work, dual axle. I was overly optimistic about the whole thing, but I had a fun adventure going to get the boat in WI. I was living in an apartment at the time, but close to getting my house.

I had switched from a car (well, a little geo tracker) to a full size pickup because I wanted a boat to go with my new SCUBA hobby. I used the truck to pull the boat home, discovering the need for trailer brakes at the same time.

I hadn't figured out exactly where to keep the boat once I got back (dumb) but I thought I'd use my favorite storage facility for a couple months. Problem was, they were out of space. Unless I wanted to move all my stuff elsewhere I had no room for the boat. I drove around the cities for a couple hours to find a place with room outdoors.

Skip ahead a couple months to having a house. I got my boat "home" finally and put it in the driveway, back by the garage. I had checked local statues on parking boats, so I was sure it was legally stored.

I spent time outdoors (no building it would fit in) removing wet foam, decking, and grinding. I didn't know what I was doing, so the grinding stretched out over weeks as I tried to use solid discs instead of flap discs to get the glass cleaned up. I also hadn't removed the engine yet.

I didn't really know my neighbors at that point except for the folks on one side of me. An old lady down the street sent me a welcome card, but I didn't know who she was exactly. I apparently irked some neighbors, still not sure who.

After several months work (from Feb-July) I realized that this boat, needing a transom, stringers, and deck, was too much work for me and not worth repairing (the engine ran and the drive was ok, but not much else worked).

So I bought a $500 boat with a cracked block on craigslist, then another boat with a good engine when I found that the first boat's engine, though running, wasn't a match for the new boat. I wanted to be on the water soon. I had to pull the trailer from under the first boat to transport it. In case you're wondering, at this point I had spent about $2300 plus storage fees, and about 15 full time days of labor.

Then I got a letter from the city saying I had a $150 fine, and more soon if I didn't remove the boats (all three of which were legally parked). According to the city, I was fined for: 1) Running a boat repair shop... since none of the boats had been titled to me yet (I didn't know which one I'd get running, hence I hadn't paid the fee) 2) Having "derelict vehicles" in my driveway since none of the boats were registered in the current year and one of the boats was not on a trailer and 3) Having "debris and parts" in my driveway that were "obviously junk".

All this according to the 23 year old newly hired inspector. She said 2 of my neighbors had complained. The "boat repair shop" was due to the city assuming that if I didn't own the boats (because I hadn't titled them) they must be other peoples' boats that I was repairing as a business.

I went through a hearing on the subject per process, which made me more angry... according to my read of the city code, boats were not considered vehicles but rather recreational equipment. As long as they weren't near the street or property lines I could have as many as I wanted.

The man who ran the hearing was a lawyer from a nearby town who worked as an arbitrator part time. He was old fashioned, condescending, and had the worst handwriting I've seen on any human being. He basically took the side of the city and told me I had to pay the current fine but if I "kept my nose clean" for a year he'd hold an additional $300 stayed.

He gave me a three page summary of his decision handwritten on stationary. I could not, no lie, read a single word he had written. I ended up asking the city to type out his comments.

So I got mad, cooled off, and realized that even though I was right it would cost more to take this issue to court than to pay the fine. Also, I was about ready to get rid of 1-2 of the boats anyway, since I wanted driveway space back.

So I paid the fine, got rid of 2 boats after pulling parts, and eventually got my current boat running. Since then I've worked in my garage on long projects (in the winter you can't work outside anyway) and basically avoided problems with the city.

As a final note, I talked with the city inspectors again when I got a building permit last year. They agreed (in an email) that boats were not vehicles and that the previous decision/fine had been wrong. I don't think the girl who wrote that fine works there any more.

I've also gotten to know my neighbors since then, and they're nice folks. I think the ones who complained were an old couple trying to sell their house and an old lady down the street who complains about everything that doesn't fit the way things were when she moved in (in 1957).

Moral of the story: Know your neighbors and know the local statutes. If you can't work legally, be prepared to pay the fine. Look for a local storage facility or shared shop space if you can't work at home, and if you can't pay the fine and can't rent shop space, don't fix the boat, you need to move first. Boats are expensive themselves, but also in space to keep them properly. It's very hard to own a boat and live in rental property.

Erik
 
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