Grounding wires attach what?

justinwerner

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My new to me 1978 Steury 1800 bowrider w/Evinrude 115 outboard came without a battery and therefore several loose pos/neg/ground wires. All the wire ends are hanging down in the stern area were the starter leads terminate and logically where a battery should be. I plan to tie them all to a bus, but where do I attach the multiple grounding wires? I would think they tie together and affix to a post single on the engine/mount, but the lengths are inconsistent. This is my first boat, and not sure what is the correct protocol. Thanks in advance.
 

UncleWillie

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Re: Grounding wires attach what?

You commonly have multiple leads going to each terminal of the battery.

A HOT and a GROUND connected to the Battery for each of the...

Engine/Starter
House Fuse panel
Bilge Pump
Engine Trim Pump
Trolling Motor
Other Added Stuff!

Figure out what each one is for, and be double sure you are correct before touching them to the battery.
Are you Sure, You're Sure!

Once you get it figured out, if they are not already colored, wrap the wires for 3-6 inches near the connector with colored electrical tape.

Red for +12 volts DC (Pos)
Yellow for -12 volts DC common (Neg) (Marine Standard)
Do this once and never be confused again!

As you likely already found, Black means very little.
The Marine standard uses Black for 120 volt AC Hot.
 

justinwerner

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Re: Grounding wires attach what?

So all the greens(grounds) go directly to the battery, even with components with red/black/green leads?
 

Silvertip

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Re: Grounding wires attach what?

Green wires are typically "bonding" wires. Yes, those go to ground as well. They "bond" things like metal fuel tanks, the fuel filler neck and the fuel gauge sending unit together to avoid static charges during refueling operations. Black is also used for decades as ground. I would verify what any combination of red/black/green wire goes to before connecting it. Connect those items you KNOW and then see what DOESN'T work to help chase down what extra wires are for.
 

Grub54891

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Re: Grounding wires attach what?

Abyc standards require no more than 4 terminals on any stud/connection point. Install buss bars and the whole electrical systym will be much happier!
Ed's Boat Tips
Check out Ed Shermans link that I posted. I did my training for abyc through him.lots of good knoweldge. Page 3 has the wiring stacking info.
 

sasto

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Re: Grounding wires attach what?

Green wire? 8 gauge? all the same size wire?

That would be bonding......much different than ground.....and very important!
 

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Re: Grounding wires attach what?

You commonly have multiple leads going to each terminal of the battery.

A HOT and a GROUND connected to the Battery for each of the...

Let's not confuse hot/positive and negetive/ground with each other. Hot and ground=AC. Positive and negetive=DC. On a vessel with no AC, the green would be a bonding wire. If this vessel does have AC, this green could be ground.

Be
 

jhebert

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Re: Grounding wires attach what?

There is really very little chance you will get correct, consistent, and accurate advice on this topic from people who cannot see your boat and have no idea what the situation really looks like.
 

justinwerner

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Re: Grounding wires attach what?

I think this is getting over thought..... It's a pretty simple rig. We're talking 1978 18' boat with an outboard, and barely any electronics... I have Green wires that are grounds from components....One from the throttle control box, one from the depthfinder, on from the gas tank float and one from the Speedo. They each have an eyelet on the end that could slip over the threaded battery terminal. Normally the greens would go to a central location, like a bus, and the bus would be tied so something big and metal.... like an engine/frame. So Im thinking that because the eyelets could fit over the threaded battery terminal, that's probably where they were affixed before and prob worked just fine.... That being said, that doesnt make it right. So my question is.... Greens to a bus and the bus to the block, or greens to the negative side of the battery and lets go fishing?
 
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jhebert

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Re: Grounding wires attach what?

...Greens to a bus and the bus to the block, or greens to the negative side of the battery...?

A conductor with GREEN insulation is normally used as a bonding conductor. There is no guarantee that because a conductor has GREEN insulation on your boat that it was a bonding conductor. Assessing the function or purpose of a wire based only the color of its insulation can be a dangerous practice. It is very common for boat wiring to be non-compliant with the suggested color coding of the conductors.

I cannot offer you any advice about your specific boat. I cannot see it. I have no idea what you have there. Let me offer some general advice, which you can then apply to your situation if you find something analogous.

The bonding system is usually associated with any metallic component in the fuel system. Metal components like a fuel inlet fitting, a fuel tank, and any other metal components of the fuel system, are typically bonded together with an electrical conductor of 10-AWG and with GREEN insulation. The bonding system is then connected to the sea via an electrode that is always immersed, typically a dedicated electrode installed below the waterline, especially on boats with non-conductive hulls, like a fiberglass hull boat. I believe that this was considered the recommended and best practice for boats made up to c.1995. After that epoch, the used of a dedicated electrode in the sea for the bonding system was not as common. The bonding system was then tied to the battery negative terminal, particularly on outboard engine boats. On outboard engine boats it is common that the outboard engine has electrodes that are on its lower unit. These electrodes are bonded to the aluminum of the outboard engine, as is the battery negative. In this way, the bonding system is connected to the sea via the electrode on the outboard engine. On boats with sterndrives or inboard engines, I don't know what the current practice for connecting the bonding circuit to the sea.

The wiring devices you call "eyelets" are probably what are more properly called ring terminal connectors.

In any wiring, but especially in marine wiring where there is a lot of movement and vibration, it is a very bad practice to accumulate more than one connection under a terminal post. You should not stack ring terminal connectors under a common binding post. This is particularly important at the battery terminals. The number of conductors and ring terminal fittings under the binding post of a battery terminal should be limited ideally to one, and practically to perhaps two.

The bonding circuit should never be wired or installed so that current flows on it in the normal distribution of power. The bonding circuit is only to keep all of the metal components attached to the bonding circuit at the same potential.

The above are all general remarks about bonding circuits and boat wiring. Again, there is no way to make a specific recommendation to you about your boat and the wiring you have on that boat. The green wires could be anything.
 
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