H P or not

Ron Sr

Recruit
Joined
Jan 19, 2003
Messages
5
How is H P measured at the prop & can this be done at home enorder to check peak performance
 
D

DJ

Guest
Re: H P or not

Ron Sr.,<br /><br />It is measured with a dynomometer. <br /><br />I do not see how you could do it at home.<br /><br />Some of the larger boat dealers may have one.
 

JB

Honorary Moderator Emeritus
Joined
Mar 25, 2001
Messages
45,907
Re: H P or not

Hi, Ron Sr.<br /><br />A typical dynamometer for outboards is a hydraulic pump that fits on the propshaft. <br /><br />By adjusting the load on the hydraulic pump a maximum pressure at WOT can be measured for each rpm in question. A chart, prepared by the manufacturer of the dyno then can be used to convert the pressure to torque, and a formula using torque and rpm is used to calculate the HP at that rpm.<br /><br />This is the most reliable way to "tune" an engine for best "under full load" performance.
 
D

DJ

Guest
Re: H P or not

Ron Sr.,<br /><br />JB is right on. The last new boat I bought, the dealer "dyno'd" the engine at its 20 hour service. That was something they offered as part of the service package.<br /><br />The machine they used was pecisely as JB described it.<br /><br />The engine I had dyno'd was a '95' Suzuki DT-140.<br /><br />At 6200 rpm. it put out 143 hp.
 

Ron Sr

Recruit
Joined
Jan 19, 2003
Messages
5
Re: H P or not

Thanks guys I was wondering how it was done.Now if only I could find a good repair shop in northern Nv or southern Id
 

clanton

Rear Admiral
Joined
Jul 9, 2001
Messages
4,876
Re: H P or not

For a Johnson/Evinrude and maby a Mercury, a test prop might be what you are looking for. If the engine does not pull the rated rpms with the proper test prop, something wrong. Lots of better stuff out there then the hyd setup most boat shops have, but cost lots more.
 

Forktail

Ensign
Joined
Feb 11, 2002
Messages
977
Re: H P or not

You could do it at home, but it would cost you about $6,000. :) Here's a link to a common outboard test unit and how it works.<br /><br /> http://www.land-and-sea.com/prop-shaft-dyno/marine-dyno.htm <br /><br />Be careful in comparing your own results to what's stated on your outboard's cover. There's a little bit more to how the manufactures are required to rate the HP. It has to do with industry standards, HP deviation allowances, declared engine speed within an engine speed range, etc. I can post that actual info if you like? (I summerized it below from another thread I just responded to yesterday). It's kind of interesting, I think. <br /><br />------------------<br /><br />Most outboard manufacturers are certified as rating their horsepower by N.M.M.A. (National Marine Manufacturer Association) standards. The N.M.M.A has adopted the International Council of Marine Industry Association (ICOMIA) standard 28/83. And this standard is in addition to the ISO (International Organization of Standards) marine test methods ISO 3046.<br /><br />"Section 7: Manufacturing Tolerance:<br /><br />The corrected power at rated speed of any individual marine propulsion engine or propulsion system must not deviate more than +-10% or .45 kW, whichever is greater, from its declared power, except that for governed engines or systems of more than 100 kW the tolerance shall be +- 5%."<br /><br />So bigger engines in the 100 kW and greater range would be limited to 5%. These are the 135 hp and up models. A .45 kW deviation is about a .6 hp deviation. So outboards in the small 6 hp range and under can only deviate the .6 hp. That leaves the models between 6 and 135 hp to deviate +-10%.<br /><br />On top of that, the hp is based on a declared crankshaft speed. That speed must be the mid-point of the full throttle speed range recommended by the manufacturer for a particular propeller selection. So for an outboard with an operating speed range of 5000 to 6000 rpm, the outboard must produce its maximum power at 5500 rpm. Furthermore, and very importanty, the highest power within the range can not exceed the declared power by more than 6%. If it does exceed the 6%, both powers must be stated.<br /><br />So to make a point, a 130 hp outboard with an operating range of 5000-6000 rpm is allowed a +-10% deviation. The 130 hp would be at 5500 rpm. So the outboard could be 143 hp at that 5500 rpm, utilizing the top end of the 10% hp deviation. Additionally the outboard is allowed another 6% for the top of the rpm range. This could be another 7.8 hp. Theoretically this 130 hp could actually be over 150 hp at full rpm. Or...if we are a smart manufacturer, we could market an additional 150 hp outboard, using the exact same engine, by just increasing the rpm operating range. Sound familiar?
 
Top