HELP!!!! 1966 johnson super sea-horse 33 electric

[lonewolf8814]

I just got a motor to put on my 62'/65'? lonestar cadet ... 1966 johnson super sea-horse 33 electric ... likely one the best motors I could have found for this project!! Only cost me $75 too!!! HOORRAAYYY!!! http://s101.photobucket.com/albums/m76/lonewolf8814/lonestar/ However, I'm now a first time boat/motor owner & haven't a clue how to hook this thing up!! Anybody have any links to some how-to diagrams or something?? I need a tutorial, & I prefer pictures or diagrams ....... I'm just slow like that, sorry guys. LOL!

 

[lindy46]

Re: HELP!!!! 1966 johnson super sea-horse 33 electric

Does the motor run? Before doing anything else, check the motor over, make sure it has good compression and spark, and change the plugs if they are worn. Gap to 030". You can check under the flywheel by removing the pull starter and removing the access cover to set the points (.020"). Take a look at the coils and see if they are cracked while you're in there. Also, it will probably need a new water pump impeller. Drain the lower oil unit and change that - if the oil is milky, water is getting in and it will need new seals. I'd get a factory service manual if you intend on working on the motor yourself. Did the motor come with a wiring harness/junction box? If not, you will need one if you intend to use the remote starter on the boat dash. You will also need the throttle/shift control and cables that run from the drivers seat to the motor, if the boat doesn't have them. I assume it has the steering setup. Good luck with the new motor!

 

[tashasdaddy]

Re: HELP!!!! 1966 johnson super sea-horse 33 electric

agree what came with it? we need to know what you have. not extremely hard to do.

 

[jasper60103]

Re: HELP!!!! 1966 johnson super sea-horse 33 electric

Congrats on your new project.
Looks like you're missing a fuel pump.

 

[tashasdaddy]

Re: HELP!!!! 1966 johnson super sea-horse 33 electric

yep some one robbed it.

 

[BigB9000]

Re: HELP!!!! 1966 johnson super sea-horse 33 electric

EDIT: C'mon BigB. You know better than to do that. JB

 

[lonewolf8814]

Re: HELP!!!! 1966 johnson super sea-horse 33 electric

Everything that came with it is in the pics (even the fuel pump, look on the tailgate of my truck in the background of one of those pics). I can't name off parts, cause I don't know them all, but I'm pretty sure I don't have a wiring harness/junction box unless it's hidden inside the motor somewhere, I assume it wouldn't be. The folks I bought it from said it runs great, just needed a new fuel pump cause the inflow line stem is broke off, but I'm trying to fix that with some JB weld. The diagram looks a bit stiff too though, so I don't know if I can get it working yet. If not I'll be PMing ya BigB9000, thanks! The throttle/shift control and cables & steering cables came with the boat. They're in the pics as well. I will likely have to replace the valve on the carburator that controls the high speed fuel flow, it's froze up.

 

[jay_merrill]

Re: HELP!!!! 1966 johnson super sea-horse 33 electric

Do yourself a favor and leave the JB Weld in the drawer. If the fuel pump is broken, it needs to be replaced. This is true both in terms of safety and convenience - sooner or later, any repair that you do with JB Weld will fail and as soon as it does, your motor will stop running.

 

[lonewolf8814]

Re: HELP!!!! 1966 johnson super sea-horse 33 electric

Well, I am going to replace it before I put the boat/motor in the water. I'm just gunning for a fair temp fix so I can get it running enough to figure out what the entire list of parts repairs/replacements is.

 

[jay_merrill]

Re: HELP!!!! 1966 johnson super sea-horse 33 electric

I still recommend replacing it for two reasons - first, you're going to have to do so eventually anyway, and second, because the diaphragm in the pump is probably dried out and shedding bits of rubber. That means that trying to run the motor with it, will most likely deposit junk in your carb and foul the needle valves. This will be especially annoying if you have just finished doing a rebuild on the carb.

Rule number one with outboards - don't half @$^ stuff, you'll only regret it later.

 

[lonewolf8814]

Re: HELP!!!! 1966 johnson super sea-horse 33 electric

Unfortunately, the wife wont greenlight an expenditure for "eventually" LOL! The diaphram is stiff (I don't know how stiff it's supposed to be in the first place so I can't say if it's unusually stiff or not), but I've had it apart & it's definately solid, no flaking or wear at all visible with the naked eye. You don't think it would even be ok for a very short term fix so I can get the whole motor working good?

 

[jasper60103]

Re: HELP!!!! 1966 johnson super sea-horse 33 electric

lonewolf,
before proceeding you should at least do a compression and spark test as Lindy suggested in post #2. That will tell us if you have a viable motor.
This shouldn't cost you much either. Call your local auto part stores. Some will loan you a compression tester for free, and a spark tester only costs about $7-8.

Report back how it goes.

jasper

Compression Test Procedure

1) remove ALL the plugs.
2) check the compression gauge end to make sure it's not longer than the spark plug threads. And ground out the plug wires (nail in the boot placed against the block works).
3) screw the gauge into a plug hole.
4) Electric start: jump the starter solenoid from the power lead, or turn the ignition until the gauge stabilizes.
Rope start: Pull the rope a few times for max reading.
5) Write down the number on the gauge.

repeat for each hole.

The compression readings should be within 10% of each other, not a fixed number. Some folks say 100 psi or better is good though.

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Spark Test Procedure

1) remove ALL the plugs.
2) ground out the plug wires (nail in the boot placed against the block works).
3) connect a plug wire to the tester and adjust the gap to 3/8". Clip the other end to the motor ground.
You may need a helper for the next step.
4) electric start: jump the starter solenoid from the power lead, or turn the ignition, and watch for spark.
rope start: pull the rope, and watch for spark.
5) The spark should jump the 3/8" gap with a crisp blue spark.

repeat for each plug wire.

 

[lonewolf8814]

Re: HELP!!!! 1966 johnson super sea-horse 33 electric

I gotta say, it was obvious that lindy was telling me good stuff, but it was over my head. Had no clue how to do what was suggested. Thanks for breaking it down for me jasper, I can surely figure it out from there! I take it you've dealt with ignorance like mine alot!LOL!

 

[lonewolf8814]

Re: HELP!!!! 1966 johnson super sea-horse 33 electric

I surrender! The more I look at & take apart this thing the more I realize I'm in over my head! I think I'm just going to go ahead & save me up some $ & take it to the shop, let the pros handle it for once .... as much as it errks me! LOL!

 

[BigB9000]

Re: HELP!!!! 1966 johnson super sea-horse 33 electric

ha! A shop wont touch it.

And if they do, your talking big money there.

It would be A LOT cheaper to buy a running outboard than it would be to have that one fixed and gone through

 

[jasper60103]

Re: HELP!!!! 1966 johnson super sea-horse 33 electric

Lonewolf,
sorry to hear.
Just curious, what are you taking apart?

Not to make you feel bad, but we have a 14yr old member that's
rebuilt a couple of these motors.

Give it a shot. Worst case, you lost $75 and still have a broken motor.

jasper

 

[lonewolf8814]

Re: HELP!!!! 1966 johnson super sea-horse 33 electric

OOOOOHHOOHHOO!!! Now that just wasn't even right! LMFAO!! Although I've never in my life touched a boat motors guts, yall have goaded me into to it I guess. I can't just let that 14 yr old thing ride! And I'm thinking BigB has a point. Besides, It's not like it has serious problems anyways. I'm betting it would likely fire up & run now if I hooked it up. I just want to get it in top notch shape.

 

[jay_merrill]

Re: HELP!!!! 1966 johnson super sea-horse 33 electric

I surrender! The more I look at & take apart this thing the more I realize I'm in over my head! I think I'm just going to go ahead & save me up some $ & take it to the shop, let the pros handle it for once .... as much as it errks me! LOL!

You don't have to be afraid of this - its not that hard. The trick is not to get in a hurry. Start out by going to the library to find a book on small engine repair. Use it to gain an understanding of two stroke, magneto ignition engines and how they work. When you finish with that, see if you can find a library book on outboard motor repair. While digesting those two, invest a few dollars in an OMC repair manual for your Johnson 33. You can buy them right here at iboats, or in a few other places. Read that manual several times so that you gain a good understanding of your own motor.

With the knowlege gained from reading, and a little help from those of us who post frequently, you will gain confidence and probably end up laughing at the thought of paying some shop 70 bucks an hour to fix your motor.

Once again, don't psych yourself out - a carbureted, magneto ignition outboard motor is not a complicated engine. There are four basic "systems" - fuel delivery, ignition, water cooling and a drivetrain. That's it ... and none of them are particularly complicated.

 

[lonewolf8814]

Re: HELP!!!! 1966 johnson super sea-horse 33 electric

Well, I'm sure I can do it, but if I screw something up the wife wont let me get another one for the gods know how long! LOL!! That's all I was worried about. I want to have this girl in the lake before the fall & didn't wanna take any chances, ya know. But oh well, she'll live with it. So far as I can tell (from what I know so far) all that needs fixing is the fuel pump & the high speed needle valve. Question ... do I have to have to have a fuel pump thats up to omc specs or will any pump for similar HP johnson motors work? The needle valves control flow anyways right?

 

[tashasdaddy]

Re: HELP!!!! 1966 johnson super sea-horse 33 electric

i think "coolguy" is only 13, then we have bassboy 1 and baconbiscut who are now 15. sorry LW.