Help..light bulbs keep burning out

PAkev

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For the past few weeks we have been having a problem keeping light bulbs from burning out. We have replaced burned out bulbs with brand new ones which burned out within a week. It doesn't seem to be consistant with any one light fixture as it seems to be happening in our kitchen, outside wall lights, floor lamps, low voltage ceiling can lights, etc. Most are also on independant circuit breakers which doesn't seem to isolate the problem. The only thing I can find which is consistant is that it has been happening since the cooler weather. <br /><br />I am concerned that our electric service into the house or from the breaker box has become compromised and hope to get any ideas on what may be causing this.<br /><br />Helpful thoughts appreciated
 

Dunaruna

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Re: Help..light bulbs keep burning out

Getting any 'funky' pictures on the TV? Snow, lines etc? I'm thinking power spikes although the low voltage lights should be regulated.
 

ZmOz

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Re: Help..light bulbs keep burning out

That's really strange. Any other electronics not working right? Have you tested the voltage?
 

jsfinn

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Re: Help..light bulbs keep burning out

Are all the new bulbs from the same box? A bad batch maybe?? Could it be coincidence that a few old bulbs burned out at the same time?<br /><br />That's weird thoguh and I'd check the voltage around the house like ZmOz said.
 

roscoe

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Re: Help..light bulbs keep burning out

Won't low voltage cause this to happen too?<br /><br />I'v got one ceiling fixture that will burn out a bulb every couple weeks if I put all four bulbs in. If I just have 3 good bulbs in it, they seem to last for months and months. Replace the burned out bulb, and a different one will burn out in a week.
 

Hunky Dory

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Re: Help..light bulbs keep burning out

Got any strange noises in your heater fan or circulator pump? You may have an in-house spike-generator hooked to your thermostat. <br /><br />Also neutral could be floating if not properly connected at the panel or ground could be floating if earth dryed out around the big copper rod that some of us have. Can't say what this would do but ground problems are the source of world champion weirdness.
 

Hunky Dory

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Re: Help..light bulbs keep burning out

That last post got away too soon!<br /><br />Wanted to add that power company should care, and might (still) send somebody out for free to check things out. I'd start there...<br /><br />I'm not an electrician; nor do I play one on TV -- but I have been shocked more than once in very unexpected circumstances (it only seems like a pun).
 

BoatBuoy

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Re: Help..light bulbs keep burning out

I think low voltage would allow a bulb to last longer. Reason I say this is because the bulbs the Blind Industries used to sell w/5 yr. guarantee were actually just 130 v. bulbs.
 

JB

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Could be a physical cause. Incandescent filaments are sensitive to vibrations.<br /><br />Any major hiways, quarries or construction going on nearby?<br /><br />Flourescent replacements are not cheap, but in the long run they save you money; not only do they use less power, they last for years.<br /><br />I think I have one or two incandescent bulbs left in my house. All the others are flourescents.
 

Ron G

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Re: Help..light bulbs keep burning out

I had the same thing start happening a few months back, first the bulbs would start blow,then the power started flickering off for maybe a second,ended up being a bad connection at the transformer,caused be the heating and cooling tempeture and time.call the power company they will come out for free and check from there transformer to themeterbase,if thats not it also check your voltage you may need to start buying 130volt bulbs instead of the 110volts.
 

CalicoKid

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Re: Help..light bulbs keep burning out

My quick guess would be high voltage at the service possibly caused by a faulty ground or neutral as Hunky Dory suggested. You should probably have 120-125 volts on both legs. If they are unequal by more than a couple volts your ground could be bad at the house or the transformer. I've seen as bad as 60 on one and 180 on the other. That will burn out bulbs (and TVs, PCs, etc.)<br /><br />Oh, btw, low voltage recessed lights are not regulated. They have simple magnetic transformers in them that reduce voltage to around 10% of input.
 

Scaaty

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Re: Help..light bulbs keep burning out

Look for water infiltration at the service panel, causing corrosion ..lousy drip loop will let water in and down the wires...happened to me
 

--GQ--

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Re: Help..light bulbs keep burning out

Your house Panel has two sidess. An "A" side and a"B" side "HOT". It also has a neutral (wraped in white tape in most cases). The neutral wire feeds up the service riser along with the A and B "HOT" to the transformer sittting on the utility pole which is grounded to earth at the base fo the pole. Inside your Panel there should be a ground wire (usually bare copper) connected to the same lug the neutral is on. The voltage between "A" side to neutral, is 120v (plus or minus 10v. In more cases minus). Between "B" side to neutral, is also 120v. Between "A" and "B" is 240v (plus/minus a few).<br /><br />Every house in the U.S (and Canada) has 120/240v capabilties. You said, all of the lights are on different circuits. Are you sure? In older homes, all lighting loads are on one circuit. Very common.( If they are, disreguard explaination below). <br /><br />Your problem may be you lost a neutral somewhere.<br />Example: suppose you have a light in the kitchen connected to "A" side of the panel and a light in the living room connected to "B" side of the panel. Both on different breakers. The two lights may share the same neutral back to the panel. If that neutral is loose, disconnected, whatever be the case, the two lights are now in series (daisy chain) which means the voltage going thru them is 240v. Case #1 if the two bulbs have different wattage ratings (unequal resistance), the one with the lowest will be exposed to a higher voltage than 120 and will burn out faster. Case #2 if the bulbs have the same wattage ratings, the one in a cooler location will have a lower resitance thus increasing the voltage going thru it and will go out sooner. How long it will last depends on temp. differ between the two spots. <br />The problem is worse if all the lights are in parallel and series with each other.<br /><br />If all your appliances/tv/radios are working fine, the problem is within the light circuits only. It is common to isolate light circuits from power circuits. You need to get a "qualified person" to test the voltage in one of the fixtures. wait a few minutes and have him test it again. Take down readings. Have him do the same on a few more lights. ( a qualify person should know how to do this without being told). Then come back and post the result. " ELECTRICITY CAN BE VERY DANGEROUS. SHOULD NOT BE DEALT WITH BY AN UNQUALIFIED PERSON.<br /><br />Based on your infos., the situation above is a likely conclusion. <br /><br />Low voltage will not lead to premature burn out. It actually does the oposite.
 

Ron G

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Re: Help..light bulbs keep burning out

Thats a very well written post GQ.
 

one more cast

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Re: Help..light bulbs keep burning out

I have found that "bad ground" situations will usually make one of those pen type testers go crazy just by getting within a few feet of the ungrounded light, switch, outlet....
 

18rabbit

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Re: Help..light bulbs keep burning out

Originally posted by --GQ--:<br /> ... Your problem may be you lost a neutral somewhere.<br />Example: suppose you have a light in the kitchen connected to "A" side of the panel and a light in the living room connected to "B" side of the panel. Both on different breakers. The two lights may share the same neutral back to the panel. If that neutral is loose, disconnected, whatever be the case, the two lights are now in series (daisy chain) which means the voltage going thru them is 240v. ...
You’re going to have to explain this in a little more detail; how a faulty, shared neutral can become an active 240v circuit. The way I'm see it, when the shared neutral is faulty there is 0v in all circuits sharing that neutral.<br /><br />Depending on the poles, when a shared neutral is intact, it is carrying either the sum of the volts if the two hots are on different poles (240v), or the sum of the amps if they are on the same pole (dangerous!). Either way, nothing is passing thru any of the circuits of a shared neutral when it is not connected.
 

craze1cars

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Re: Help..light bulbs keep burning out

Originally posted by JB:<br /> I think I have one or two incandescent bulbs left in my house. All the others are flourescents.
Same here. I'm about 90% flourescent these days, with a few exceptions being obscure light fixtures that won't accept them.<br /><br />Actually, I have a LOT of incadescents still in my house...they're just all piled up in a closet now completely unused. Can't bring myself to throw 'em out.
 

--GQ--

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Re: Help..light bulbs keep burning out

8rabbit the situation can be explained better with a drawing. i made a sketch of the diagram, but i don't know how to post it on here..
 

Dunaruna

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Is it on your computer as a digital file (JPG or GIF)?
 
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