Help needed on OMC stringer

Dunromin

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My boat came to me with a seized lower end, and disassembled. I have repaired the lower end and am in process of re-assembling, but have a question about the upper gearbox. The ball gear turns easily by hand in a clockwise direction, but seems too tight to turn by hand anti-clockwise. Is this normal?
 

Bondo

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Ayuh,..... Probably because yer tryin' to turn the impeller backwards,.....
 

Dunromin

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Ayuh,..... Probably because yer tryin' to turn the impeller backwards,.....
No, I haven't put the prop on yet, or installed the drive. I don't want to do that until I can confirm that the ball gear on the upper gearbox is supposed to turn only clockwise by hand, if I try to turn it anti clock, it is too stiff, and I don't want to force it. I want to be sure there is no problem with the upper gear box, although quite possibly this is the way it's supposed to work.
At present, the upper box is sitting on my bench, not attached to anything.
 

Scott Danforth

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The impeller (raw water pump) sits between the upper and lower. Since you have it apart, I would get a new pump assembly as well as inspect the splines of the 3 pieces of the vertical driveshaft (known failure point)
 

Dunromin

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The impeller (raw water pump) sits between the upper and lower. Since you have it apart, I would get a new pump assembly as well as inspect the splines of the 3 pieces of the vertical driveshaft (known failure point)
I know this is a good idea, but it might have to wait. I'm working hard to get this boat in the water before winter sets in so I can identify any other problems, that will give me all winter to deal with them.
Does anyone have an answer to my upper gearbox question?
 

Redrig

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I believe Bondo answered the main culprit.

The impeller is in the bottom of the upper unit and the vanes are curled in one direction. So when you spin it the other way you get alot more friction .

If you are worried about it , you can simply pull out the impeller by removing the 4 big bolts on the bottom. With impeller removed it should spin fairly easily both ways .

But also as Scott mentioned , since it's all accessible right now you really should at a minimum inspect and grease your splines on the water pump shaft . There is alot of easy cheap maintenance you can do right now while it's not mounted .
 

Dunromin

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I believe Bondo answered the main culprit.

The impeller is in the bottom of the upper unit and the vanes are curled in one direction. So when you spin it the other way you get alot more friction .

If you are worried about it , you can simply pull out the impeller by removing the 4 big bolts on the bottom. With impeller removed it should spin fairly easily both ways .

But also as Scott mentioned , since it's all accessible right now you really should at a minimum inspect and grease your splines on the water pump shaft . There is alot of easy cheap maintenance you can do right now while it's not mounted .
OK now it all makes some sense. I had thought Bondo was referring to the propeller. I think that will explain why it won't turn anti clock, and now, just to be sure, I will do the work on the water pump suggested by Scott.
Thanks to all.
 

Dunromin

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Manual suggests removing ball gear shaft to assist in removal of water pump, but I was completely unable to withdraw it. In fact it seems firmly held in place by something, and nothing I could do would budge it. I eventually managed to remove the pump with a little heat, and two steel rods inserted into the bolt holes, and a bit of wiggling, and yes, Redrig, it turns both ways with impeller removed. I'm a bit concerned about why the ball gear shaft was stuck, shims are undamaged, so I guess I could just put the 4 small bolts back in, Anyone got any thoughts?
 

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Manual suggests removing ball gear shaft to assist in removal of water pump, but I was completely unable to withdraw it. In fact it seems firmly held in place by something, and nothing I could do would budge it. I eventually managed to remove the pump with a little heat, and two steel rods inserted into the bolt holes, and a bit of wiggling, and yes, Redrig, it turns both ways with impeller removed. I'm a bit concerned about why the ball gear shaft was stuck, shims are undamaged, so I guess I could just put the 4 small bolts back in, Anyone got any thoughts?
throw the haynes manual away

get a factory OMC manual. https://outboardbooks.com/
 

Redrig

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I've never taken that shaft out , but I have removed the ball gear shaft of the intermediate. I'm sure it's the bearing cups that are fighting you . It's probably a slide hammer job.

I've changed my water pump a couple of times and never had to remove that shaft to do so . I don't have my manual handy , but I don't see why the ball gear shaft has to come out . For a full reseal sure.
 

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I've got the original OMC factory manual, courtesy of Ebay. anyone got any idea why the ball gear shaft will not come out?
to take the ball gear shaft out, you must first remove the water pump, you must also remove the top assembly. additionally, you must remove the ball gear from the shaft (pull cover off over nut, remove nut, remove ball gear)

however to pull the water pump assembly, simply remove the 4 screws holding it to the bottom of the upper. ball gear shaft remains in-tact
 

Dunromin

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to take the ball gear shaft out, you must first remove the water pump, you must also remove the top assembly. additionally, you must remove the ball gear from the shaft (pull cover off over nut, remove nut, remove ball gear)

however to pull the water pump assembly, simply remove the 4 screws holding it to the bottom of the upper. ball gear shaft remains in-tact
Yes, that's what I did in the end. The book advises removing the ball gear shaft so that you can access the pump unit from the bottom to tap it out, but really, it wasn't necessary just to remove the impeller and housing.
 

kenny nunez

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2X with Redrig On the water pump & ball gear shaft.
When the intermediate shaft is stuck/rusted to the engine coupler you are in a world of hurt. The only way to get it out is to cut a hole in the side of the intermediate and cut the shaft with a cutting torch. Then remove the engine and unbolt the coupler.
 
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