Help on 302 Decision

Jim Marshall

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Hello out there:

I want to find out more about Ford engines, specifically for my boat. It is a 1974 Glastron that I am rebuilding. I had it in storage, I usually store it well, fogging it, draining the block, etc. But I sat for 12 years when we moved in to town from living on a lake.

I pulled it out of storage to find that two freeze plugs had popped out. I pulled the engine out and looked at it. You can't feel a ridge at the top of the cylinders. It only has a few hundred hours on it.

Wanting more performance (and getting the cart ahead of the horse) I picked up a 90's brand new long block Explorer engine that supposedly has the GT-40heads. Oops, some things have changed, like the flywheel. So I thought I needed some clarification on my decision.

THE EXPLORER

I have the Explorer sitting in a crate, brand new 5.0. I picked it up from a marine dealer. I guess boats lag behind. It has an EFI manifold on it. I planned to convert the boat to EFI and rounded up most of the parts but it looks like quite a project.

I guess I don't know exactly what the Explorer has that the standard doesn't in horsepower, balance, rpm range, etc. So now I am looking at several ways to go.

THE OLD 302


This engine has had hardly any use, comparatively, just quite a few years on it. We lived on a lake and it was run a little each year, then fogged and stored in the winter. All the bearings are probably okay. I soaked the pistons in the holes in Kroil for several months, just to make sure everything was lubricated. Perhaps it would be good to scuff the cylinders and put in new rings at minimum.

Valves, who knows. Everything looks very clean since the oil was changed very often.

I could put it together with a new set of gaskets, but it is quite a bit of work to pull out again.

SUMMARY
Age of the engine, technology, and other figures come into this. I went to the boat place and apparently the new boats predominately are still running carburetors. EFI costs a few thousand more.

Finally, I have been told yes and no that there is a difference in marine and automotive engines. One guy says different alloys, components, etc. One even told me an auto engine would run a few hundred hours in a boat, whereas a boat engine should run 3000.

You guys can surely tell me a lot more about engine developments and what I have in the two engines.

Thanks,

Jim Marshall
 

ezmobee

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Re: Help on 302 Decision

I'm going to move this to I/O repair where the engine gurus hang out.
 

achris

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Re: Help on 302 Decision

If the old engine had a 2bbl carb, then it was an '888', 188hp, 8 cylinder.

This from Wiki on the new engine...
Wiki said:
A 210 hp (157 kW) 5.0 L Windsor V8 engine...

I'd has at a guess that if they are saying 'Windsor engine' then the rear of the engine block should be bolt for bolts. You may even find that the engine coupler will bolt straight up, but you may have to use longer studs.

Chris........
 

Jim Marshall

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Re: Help on 302 Decision

To answer a couple of questions:

The engine is 200hp with a Holley 4bbl. I believe it is 450 CFM.

I wanted to get more performance from the newer engine. It will take a new flywheel (50 oz.) and I am not sure what will line up. I am not sure about the vibration damper.

It also has a log style manifold and I am not sure whether I can find gaskets for it.

The engine has only a few hundred hours on it and you cannot even feel a ridge at the top of the cylinder bore.

Thanks

Jim
 

achris

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Re: Help on 302 Decision

Gaskets still available from Merc... Here's the part number 27-73866.

C...........
 

Jim Marshall

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Re: Help on 302 Decision

Actually it is a Volvo Penta 270. It has a Glastron label on a log style manifold. I tried Glastron and they said I would have to go to a dealer. The Glastron dealer is checking. Said it might be an Osco.

Jim
 

Jim Marshall

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Re: Help on 302 Decision

An old friend of mine told me I was losing a lot through exhausting out the Volvo drive. He said to put it through the transom using Eddy exhausts. He used to run big engine boats. Said to exhaust below water line sitting to minimize noise.

jim

By the way, I laughed at seaman apprentice. I was once a HM2 in the USCG.
 

achris

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Re: Help on 302 Decision

You can still use the Merc gaskets. The engine's the same, regardless of whether Merc used it or Volvo used it. It goes on the same head.

Chris......
 

Jim Marshall

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Re: Help on 302 Decision

Sorry not be be more clear on that point. I am looking at the gasket between the exhaust manifold and the 90 degree elbow that attaches to the Volvo pipes.

Jim
 

haulnazz15

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Re: Help on 302 Decision

Well the main difference between the blocks is that the old one had a 2-piece rear main seal, the 90 will have a 1-piece. The flywheels were weighted differently, but I don't think there's any reason you need to swap them, just bolt the old coupler onto the new engine and go. You issues with the EFI are going to be where you will mount the ECU items, and you'll have to remove any of the EGR-related equipment from the new engine since boats don't use them.
 

Jim Marshall

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Re: Help on 302 Decision

It is a round gasket, kind of like ones you would find on a flanged auto gasket.

I gave up on the EFI. It just got to complicated. I listed a bunch of components on Ebay.

I called my local Ford Dealer and he things there is a difference between automotive and marine other than the crank. Maybe I can contact Ford Marine.

Thanks for all the advice I have been getting.

Jim
 
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