HELP PLEASE 70's johnson 60hp Hydro Electric Shift

nate1220

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Hi guys thanks in advance for any help. Heres my problem. I have a 70's johnson 60hp hydro electric shift. When I got the motor the gear select switch in the controls was broke. I got the new one last night and put it in. Hooked it up just like the old one came out. Now when I throttle forward it goes into reverse and when I throttle backwards it goes into drive. Help please.
 

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Re: HELP PLEASE 70's johnson 60hp Hydro Electric Shift

Did you try switching the wires? I have a 1972 esl. Where did you find the switch? There's a post in the search telling you what wires are for what, try that and check the wires.
 

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Re: HELP PLEASE 70's johnson 60hp Hydro Electric Shift

Possible wrong switch, read on......................

(Hydro Electric Shift System Explained)
(J. Reeves)

The shifting setup of the lower unit is what's called a "Hydro Electric Shift", which is quite complex consisting of voltage being applied to solenoids in the lower unit which in turn change oil passages via a oil pump that supplies various pressure on a spring loaded shifter dog. The wires leading to the lower unit (at the powerhead) are "Green" and "Blue". The engine must be running or cranking over in order to shift out of forward gear.

You CAN NOT use HI VIS lube in that lower unit. You MUST USE what OMC calls "Premium Blend" lube, commonly called "Type C". (A thinner lube)

Note: The engine must be running OR have the driveshaft turning by some other means in order for the engine to shift.

In neutral, you need 12v to the "Green" wire.
In reverse, you need 12v to both wires, the "Green" one and the "Blue" one.
In forward, there should be no voltage to either wire. (The spring loaded shifter dog forces the unit into forward gear)

To check the lower unit for proper shifting to make sure you have no trouble there, remove the spark plugs to avoid problems and to allow a higher cranking speed.

This next step eliminates the actual shift switch in case problems may exist there.... Disconnect the blue & green wires at the knife connectors (the rubber insulated boots) leading to the lower unit at the powerhead, then using jumpers, take voltage direct from the starter solenoid to apply voltage to the "Green" wire for neutral, then both wires 'Green" & "Blue" for reverse (Remember the engine must be cranking over in order to shift).
With no voltage applied, the unit should be in forward. No need for a ground jumper... the lower unit's already grounded. You may crank the engine with the key switch or by energizing the starter solenoid with a jumper wire.
 

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Re: HELP PLEASE 70's johnson 60hp Hydro Electric Shift

thanks it shifts fine into all three positions. the only problem i have is the reversed shifting thats goin on. revers is drive an drive is reverse on the controls. the switch is correct i wired purple to purple, blue to blue, and green to green. can i just switch blue and green?
 

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Re: HELP PLEASE 70's johnson 60hp Hydro Electric Shift

Disconnect the wires from that shift switch, then with an ohm meter do the following.

Connect red lead of meter to the 12v terminal of that switch. connect the black lead of the meter to the Green terminal of the switch. In neutral, there should be a reading. Shift into forward, there should now be no reading at that green terminal.

Shift back to neutral.

Now, with the red lead of the meter still connected to the 12v terminal of that switch. connect the black lead of the meter to the Blue terminal of the switch. In neutral, there should be no reading. Shift into reverse, you should now have a reading on both the green and blue shift switch wires.

In short..............

Forward = No ohm reading between shift switch 12 terminal and either Green or Blue

Neutral = Ohm reading between shift switch 12v terminal and Green.

Reverse = Ohm reading between shift switch 12v terminal and both Green and Blue.

Is this what you have? If not, you have the wrong switch.
 

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Re: HELP PLEASE 70's johnson 60hp Hydro Electric Shift

WRONGAny chance that you put the switch in with the face-in, rather than face-out? I'm wondering if the position of the switch is causing the toggle to move in the wrong direction.WRONG

BTW, if the switch doesn't have white wires, it doesn't have the neutral safety function, so be careful when you start the engine.


PS: My logic in regard to a reversed switch was faulty. I know these motors pretty well, but was forgetting that no voltage on the solenoids results in forward gear, by virtue of a spring loaded piston in the gearbox. If the switch were reversed, the motor wouldn't do what I said it would. You have something quite strange going on and I'll have to think about it for a bit.
 
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nate1220

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Re: HELP PLEASE 70's johnson 60hp Hydro Electric Shift

its the same exact switch that came out same part#. i tried switching blu and green wires and it still does the opposite of what i want. i think its probably some stupid wiring mistake some where. everything checks out with the wires. i dont know what to do.
 

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Re: HELP PLEASE 70's johnson 60hp Hydro Electric Shift

is it possible that the lower unit is put together wrong if so how hard is it to take apart
 

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Re: HELP PLEASE 70's johnson 60hp Hydro Electric Shift

Don't take the gearbox apart unless you have to.

In the mean time, test the function of the solenoids by applying 12VDC at the blade connectors, located on the port side of the powerhead. Disconnect them and look for the following:

No Voltage: Forward
12VDC to green: Neutral
12VDC to green & blue: Reverse

Because the actual shifting is done by hydraulic prsssure, the motor will need to be running to be able to see the effect of the voltage applications.
 

nate1220

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Re: HELP PLEASE 70's johnson 60hp Hydro Electric Shift

it all checks out and shifts fine. just it shifts backwards.
 

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Re: HELP PLEASE 70's johnson 60hp Hydro Electric Shift

This may seem dumb, but what makes you think it is shifting backwards?
 

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Re: HELP PLEASE 70's johnson 60hp Hydro Electric Shift

Did you actually disconnect the wires leading to the lower unit, then connect 12 volts first to the green wire (neutral), then to both the green and blue wires (reverse), And also check for proper forward gear engagement which would be no voltage to either wire? A plain Yes or No answer to this question would eliminate confusion.

The shift wires must be disconnected when doing the above test.
 

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Re: HELP PLEASE 70's johnson 60hp Hydro Electric Shift

I've spent a little time thinking about your issue and have reviewed the service manual for a 1972 Johnson 65hp motor, which has the same gearbox as yours. Frankly, I don't see how it could shift in an opposite pattern from what is to be expected.

Your gearbox has two electrical solenoids, which actuate two poppet valves in the unit's hydraulic cicuitry. It also has a hydraulic pump, which uses the Type C gear oil as a hydraulic fluid, and a spring loaded piston. The piston is what actually moves the clutch dog. The neutral poppet valve is actuated by the upper solenoid and the reverse poppet valve is actuated by the lower solenoid.

Absent any electrical power to either solenoid, both poppet valves are open and no hydraulic force is applied against the piston to overcome the spring. This allows the piston to remain fully forward and mate the clutch dog and the forward gear. When the upper solenoid is entergized, the neutral poppet valve closes and hydraulic pressure is directed towards the face of the piston, moving it back one step. This, of course, moves the dog to the neutral position. Upon energizing of the lower solenoid, the reverse poppet valve closes and fluid is directed to the face of the piston again. This time, however, it flows from the side of the piston and only reaches its face because the piston has already been moved back one step. I don't believe that activating the lower solenoid alone, would move the piston from the forward position at all, because the fluid would not be able to reach its face in that position.

So, why consider all of this? Simple - because the only way the system should work, is with application of 12VDC to the appropriate solenoids, in the appropriate order. In short, it either works correctly, or it doesn't work at all and the motor remains in forward gear. This means that correct electrical circuitry could only result in correct solenoid/poppet valve actuation and crossed wiring anywhere in the circuitry, could only result in failure of the system to work at all.

At this point, I go back to my question of awhile ago - what makes you sure that your gear box is operating backwards? Try running the motor again and observe the propshaft rotation. It should be clockwise, as viewed from astern, for foward and counterclockwise for reverse.

One final thought - any chance that the motor has a left hand rotation prop on it? I have no idea if there are any that will fit that motor, but this is about the only explanation that I can come up with at this point.
 

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Re: HELP PLEASE 70's johnson 60hp Hydro Electric Shift

May seem like an absurd question? But could the switch be mounted in the control backwards? If not, that might be the easiest way to fix.
 

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Re: HELP PLEASE 70's johnson 60hp Hydro Electric Shift

Here's a random thought. Perhaps he has the wrong prop on his motor? Left hand prop instead of a right hand prop I mean. That would cause his issue of "backwards shifting", wouldn't it?
 

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Re: HELP PLEASE 70's johnson 60hp Hydro Electric Shift

errr.....this thread is over 2 years old...
 

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Re: HELP PLEASE 70's johnson 60hp Hydro Electric Shift

Ooops, didn't even notice that.
 
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