help settle an argument tstat housing gasket. rtv or no??

71Windsor

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My buddy is insisting I used rtv on my thermostat housing gasket that he runs a thin layer all the way around his gasket both sides. My thinking is if you do this you will risk having rtv sealing the poppett to the hole it sits in. Rtv yay or nay?
 

HighTrim

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Re: help settle an argument tstat housing gasket. rtv or no??

Well, I don't use RTV anywhere, but that's just me.

To coat gaskets, use one of your wifes magazines with the shiny pages.

Put the gasket on a page, coat both sides with OMC gasket sealing compound, close the magazine, then open and pull it out. It will now be evenly coated with no excess. Ready for install.
 

71Windsor

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Re: help settle an argument tstat housing gasket. rtv or no??

We just collectively replaced our tstat and gaskets I used no rtv I watching him apply his and he did get some around the poppet I asked aren't you worried that wont open? He reply was nope the water will easily break it free no problem. Lol. I started mine no leaks what so ever. He's waiting for the rev to set up so I guess we will see if he over heats tomorrow when we go striper fishing.
 

Joe Reeves

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Re: help settle an argument tstat housing gasket. rtv or no??

My buddy is insisting I used rtv on my thermostat housing gasket that he runs a thin layer all the way around his gasket both sides. My thinking is if you do this you will risk having rtv sealing the poppett to the hole it sits in. Rtv yay or nay?

And your buddy most likely has his car engine held together with silicone. Don't use that stuff on a outboard, not needed and looks like s___t too. Use only gasket sealing compound on gaskets that call for a sealer, available at any automotive parts type store, the type that comes in a can that has a small brush attached to its screw off cap.


(Gasket Sealers)
(Usually available at any reliable automotive parts type store)
(J. Reeves)

Do Not use any type of sealer on outboard carburetor or intake manifold gaskets as this would cause blockage of various fuel/air passageways. Also, there are new type gaskets, including head gaskets, which are used through out the engines that are coated with a substance that gives a shinny appearance to them. These gaskets are coated with a self sealer and are to be installed as is.... no sealers! Older style head and fuel related gaskets that are not coated with this substance are to be simply coated with oil.... nothing else.

All other gaskets (hopefully I've not overlooked anything above) should be coated with Gasket Sealer (the type that comes in a can that has a small brush in its screw off cap). This also pertains to some water pump installations that use a gasket between the plate and the lower unit housing.

Marprox Sealer 1000 or OMC Adhesive or Boat Armor Sealer 1000 (same substance)[See Below Note] should be used on any metal to metal (Unless GelSeal Is Called For) or metal to plastic surface (such as impeller hsg to plate, and plate to lower unit surface) to eliminate air leaks. It should also be used on the Spaghetti tubing that is used on many powerhead crankcase halves, lower unit skegs, etc. I have found that this substance works quite well on various "O" Rings such as what are found on lower unit carrier and upper driveshaft bearing housings (Note that this substance is obviously not to be used on all "O" Rings). This substance also works quite well in sealing the surfaces between the lower unit and the exhaust housing to which it attaches, eliminating the unsightly water spray between the two after completing a water pump installation.

NOTE 1: I am under the impression that Marprox Sealer 1000 and Boat Armor Sealer 1000 is no longer available.

NOTE 2: OMC Adhesive is now Bombardier 3M Product #847 .

DO NOT use any sealer on the large "O" Rings that are used on the upper and lower crankcase heads (The housing/heads that slide over the top and bottom of the crankshaft). On those "O" Rings, use only a coating of grease.

The exception of surface to surface contacts pertains to the later model matching crankcase (block) halves (which does not incorporate spaghetti tubing) which call for "Gel-Seal", or any other surface that calls for Gel-Seal. This substance seals in the absence of air, and if called for, must be used. One other form of Gel Seal that can be substituted is "Loctite #518". Nothing else that I know of will do!

I advise against using silicone or permatex on a outboard engine. It simply will not function properly. The exception to this (as per OMC's recommendation), is to use the black Permatex (heavily) on the gasket 306242 which seperates the inner exhaust tube from the exhaust housing on the 1959 35hp and 1960 to 1970 40hp OMC outboards.
 
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boobie

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Re: help settle an argument tstat housing gasket. rtv or no??

Stay away from the RTV. There are certain places on an outboard to use it but not on gaskets.
 

minuteman62-64

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Re: help settle an argument tstat housing gasket. rtv or no??

I couldn't find a gasket for my (Mariner) thermostat. Used the silicone (RTV) form-a-gasket. Has worked fine for 3 years. Course I don't have any poppet valves so no issue there.
 

71Windsor

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Re: help settle an argument tstat housing gasket. rtv or no??

Joe Reeves pretty much gathered all my thoughts on rtv and put it in writing. I hate rtv never had much luck with it other then it makes a really good glue for the kids toys that break lol. When it comes to engines I think its useless and like he stated alot of gaskets now have a sealer manufactured into the gasket. I just did an upper and lower intake on my Chevy and the gasket had a bead of sealer right in the gasket already. We went out this morning kinda crappy weather so we came in but he's having issues with his motor. No alarm but its not pumping water hardly at all and I towed him in motor kept quitting. But when I popped the hood off of his good god it was like a rainbow of ruberbber crap blue black orange red you name it he's used it on one part or another. I'll give him credit he tried to use the correct rtv. for the application but wow its every where.

I have him searching every new gasket now to start over.

R\r red rtv
Water pump blue rtv
Heads copper rtv
Plastic intake for carb black rtv
Carbs oranges rtv lol
 
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