Help with compression test!

gdavies07

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I would like to compression test a newly acquired motor to have a baseline if I have future problems and to see if the motor is in as good condition as it seems. I have a loaner compression tool. The controls and battery are currently hooked up but there is no safety lanyard on the controls. I removed all 4 spark plugs from the motor along with the airbox cover. I have jumper cables that i can use to jump the starter. My worry is that I dont want to use the key/ignition and possibly fry a coil by loading it. I have 2 18 gauge wires with alligator clips but they dont seem to want to stay in the spark boot. I thought I read that the coils need to be grounded or they could fry themselves. Exactly how can I do this test without using the ignition? Key off and just jump with jump-start wires from the pos+ on the battery directly to the starter lead/post from the solenoid? If so do I need to connect the Neg- to the block somewhere also? Is there any other way because theres a harness real close to the post on the starter. Is there an ignition feed that I can pull from the starter solenoid that feeds voltage to the ignition so I can use the key? Lastly..any suggestions where I can find an OEM repair manual? I tried a Selco on another motor and it was very confusing by different motor sizes and years. I'd like to find something specific to my motor...87 Evinrude 140 VRO E140TLCUA Thanks!!!
 

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Re: Help with compression test!

Try ebay for a gently used manual, or www.outboardbooks.com for a factory reprint. Ebay will be cheaper.

You could use a remote starter if you have one. If not, ground the plug leads and jump the starter off the battery. POS to the starter post, NEG lead to a good ground on the motor. Let it crank 7 or 8 times or so. Let us know the readings you get.
 

gdavies07

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Re: Help with compression test!

My main problem is being able to ground the plug leads. The jump wires that i have don't seem to want to stay in the plug boots. I seen a guy ground them by putting them on a head bolt but mine slip off easily. Can I remove the spark plug wire and directly ground the terminal to the head? If there was an easy way I'd rather disable the ignition that way I don't have to worry about the coils being damaged. The controls are connected so I would not need to jump anything IF I grounded out the leads. My thought of jumping the starter from the battery was to bypass the ignition system if that was even possible. Thanks!
 

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Leave the other 3 plugs in and leave the wires on. Then you only have to ground the cylinder you're testing. Leave the plug wire attached to the plug and ground the base of the plug to the block. Or just remove the plug and ground the plug wire directly to the block with alligator clips.
 

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Take all the plugs out ( better compression readings ), turn the key off and use a remote starter switch between the bat pos term on the solenoid and the small term on the solenoid that has the yellow/red wire going to it. Then crank it over.
 

gdavies07

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Re: Help with compression test!

Thanks Boobie. That will effectively disable the ignition so I won't need to ground out the plugs or coil wires or do I still need to?
 

toddschubert

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Am I missing something? I've never grounded plug wires for compression test. Its only turning over a few times.
 

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If you use a remote starter you are bypassing the ignition gdavies. Same as if you jump the starter, just the remote starter is easier and neater.

Todd when you use the key or rope start to test compression you could fry a coil if the plug lead is not grounded. Safer to run a test lead from the plug to ground.

What I do when compression testing is hook all my leads up to a multi spark test tool like this

sparktester.jpg
 

69GTOby

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Re: Help with compression test!

Woah, that is a nice tool! Never seen one before. Okay, yes you're supposed to ground the plug wires and disable fuel, and remove all the plugs but it's not really necessary. You're supposed to wear safety glasses and have a fire extinguisher, too :) There are many different ways to do a compression test. Certain methods will give better readings. If you just want to make sure it has compression within spec, just do one hole at a time. Just throw a rag over the dead wire and make sure it's away from fuel. WOT. Crank it for several revolutions until the needle just pulses and doesn't increase any more. If you find a low hole, then we will go from there... Do a wet compression test, remove adjacent plugs, etc...
 

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Woah, that is a nice tool! Never seen one before. Okay, yes you're supposed to ground the plug wires and disable fuel, and remove all the plugs but it's not really necessary. You're supposed to wear safety glasses and have a fire extinguisher, too :) There are many different ways to do a compression test. Certain methods will give better readings. If you just want to make sure it has compression within spec, just do one hole at a time. Just throw a rag over the dead wire and make sure it's away from fuel. WOT. Crank it for several revolutions until the needle just pulses and doesn't increase any more. If you find a low hole, then we will go from there... Do a wet compression test, remove adjacent plugs, etc...

I have to disagree. It is necessary, especially if you are not using a remote start. There are reasons other than just fires. Have I always grounded my leads? No I cant say that I have, but Im not going to promote that on a forum where I do not know the poster and especially since Im not willing to pay for any damage I cause to his motor.

There is also no point in putting the throttle WOT. It is irrelevant where the throttle is.
 

gdavies07

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Re: Help with compression test!

That is a nice spark tester!! Looks expensive too!! I'll pick up a remote starter tomorrow. Cheap $15 @ the local parts store. I burned up a coil on my Johnson by having the spark plug boot slip off of a head bolt from the motor cranking over so I'm trying to avoid that happening again. Or worst case all 4 coils. Thanks for the assistance everyone. I'm slowly learning these outboards!! I'll post back with the results. I'm not anticipating a problem cyl. Motor cold started and ran great, idled nice. I just want a baseline to troubleshoot if I have any future problems.
 

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Gdavies, with the key in the OFF POSITION there should be no reason to ground the plug wires when using a remote starter button on that mtr
 

69GTOby

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Yes, I suppose not grounding the wires is a little crude and not worth the risk. And yes, WOT is unnecessary. I remember learning that, but never really did it in practice, and don't need to.

Good point about using the remote starter switch and leaving the key off.
 

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If you're doing a compression test for future reference, you may want to invest in your own compression tester due to possible variations of your loaner and the one you use in the future.

Just a thought,

Mas
 

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That too!

Mas
 

gdavies07

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Re: Help with compression test!

Yes I did JB and as helpful as it was, I didn't have the reassurance that the coils/ignition would be disabled. In the little detail about using the remote starter I was not comfortable with knowing for sure that the coils would not fire. I'm new with these outboards!! For all I know right now the post you referred that I did read may have used the remote starter AS the ignition key. Where I don't quite understand this just yet, I wanted to make sure I'm not leading myself into repairs of the coils. The reason I have these questions is because a motor that I had bought in the past was started on a stand using a remote start and a battery. He has no ignition key to turn on or off. So if he was able to start and run this motor for me without controls, and just a fuel tank and battery connected... Then I want to make sure what I do does not overload the coils. If it wasn't for this seller running the engine by doing this then I wouldn't care, but it worries me seeing him do this(without controls..meaning there was no key to turn in the off position) and still run the motor.
 

gdavies07

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Re: Help with compression test!

Great point Mas, I do know that they differ, but it never occurred to me when comparing test results from previous and later tests. I'll keep that in mind!!!
 

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Gdavies, with the key in the OFF POSITION there should be no reason to ground the plug wires when using a remote starter button on that mtr

Amen on this subject. Next case!!
 
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