Help with troubleshooting electrics on 1975 Johnson 115

gilera

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Ok. So i have this engine with very weak spark. The spark is thin and yellow and can only jump a small gap on the spark tester. Here's what I have done so far.

Checked compression. About 115 across all 4 cylinders.
Engine is spinning fast on starter. New battery. Ground connections all cleaned. Terminals on battery cables replaced. Even tried different set of cables.
Tried disconnecting kill wire. No difference at all.
I made a DVA tester - stator resistance (624ohms) and DVA (260V) so all ok. Coil resistances all check ok on both primary and secondary coils. Timing base wires 1 to 3 and 2 to 4 ohms a little low (8ohms, 8.2ohms should be 10-20ohms). DVA across the sets i can get up to 1V if I let it crank for about 10 seconds. My homemade DVA tester has a diode in it and I think this will cause a voltage drop of 0.7V so I'm calling that test ok. I had the flywheel off and looks like one of the sensors on the timing base has been replaced in the past. The factory manual says to check each black/white wire (connected) from the timing base to ground and that I should get at least 150V on the DVA tester. It says that the timing signal rides on top of the stator voltage. The way I interpret this is that I should be getting pretty much the same reading as for the stator. On terminal 2 i get about 1V doing this. On terminal 12 I get about 15V. If I disconnect the wires and try again from the terminals I get the same. No one seems to talk about this test for the timing base much, only testing across the sets of wires. They say if the voltage jumps up then it can mean a bad timing base but doesnt say what it indicates if it doesnt jump up. Does this indicate a bad Power Pack?
The only other test the manual recommends doing is to adjust the sensors which I haven't tried doing.
 

Stripgear

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Based on the pictures in your other post, the charging coils in the stator are bad. I don't care what the readings are, they have an internal short and will fail under load. I have a 1975 85hp, ask me how I know...
 

gilera

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Are you saying that you think the stator could be the cause of my weak spark, or just that the stator might give me charging problems down the track? I had read that stators and coils rarely cause problems on this model.
 

Stripgear

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The stator has two separate sets of coils. One set is for charging the battery. If these go out, your spark is not affected, your motor will run without them. The other set (2) provides power to the power pack. From what I can see in your picture, they look burned. The insulation has broken down and some of the windings are shorted. You've got just enough voltage and amperage to make a weak spark, but not enough to run the engine. I don't know if replacing the stator will fix it or not, but mine looked the same as yours, acted the same as yours, and after I replaced it, it runs great. We're talking about 45 year old electronic components here. I've read that the timer base rarely goes out, but IMHO old power packs and coils just need to be replaced if you don't want to get stranded.
 

Faztbullet

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Your manual is incorrect as you should only get 150v on the brn-brn/yel stator wires not the trigger wires
 
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