Hey marine DR got a question

199675hpforce

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Ok ive got 96,75hp force by mercury. I did the impeller change but did not use any silicone for the exhaust case and impeller. I have the seloc manual and it does not mention this? Have you worked on this year motor before? Is this bad to run in this condition. My motor has run poor always at idle. Comps 105,105,107 it looks like new. Runs nothing like my old 89 80hp merc 3carb. Any info would be cool I have purchase heat gasket kit but dont think thats the problem? If the exhaust plate gasket leaked would she idle crappy? Help me out as this is getting old and i dont trust my local omc,chryslerforce mechanix lol.
 

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Re: Hey marine DR got a question

I'm not marine Dr, but might be able to help,as I have werked on one of those. <br />The silicone is not recommended inside the pump housing, if that is what you mean. Anywhere the silcone can flake or peal away, and become mobile inside your cooling circuit is a no-no.<br />The exaust port plate gasket, sure, provided you do not use too much, it is the right type, can help seal a warped mating face. But milling flat would be better. Your reported compression is low, and barely adequate for proper performance. So much hinges upon compression. The carbs need it to draw fuel from them into the jugs. The pistons need it to give the best 'oomph' possible, and the fuel pump operates directly from compression. And the fuel pump diaphram is the next thing on the list of replacement parts. It was not designed to withstand ethanol or alcohol-blended fuels, and will deteriorate rapidly (I had them fail inside a season one my personal Force, a 50HP model with standard dual-stage pump).<br />The good thing is the diaphram is cheap. It comes by itself, or with the complete rebbuild kit..The latter is rarely required, unless the boat sat unused for a year or so, because the check valves are not as sensative to fuel blends...The rubber diaphram is another story.<br />I keep one in my emergency kit, in case it decides to rip appart underway.<br /><br />When you had the exaust port plate off, how did the combustion exaust side look? Was there a lot of tar-like goo in there? If so, the compression numbers may be reflecting a restricted exaust. This is very common, esspecially if the motor is used at idle much of it's operation, by allready-low compression, or from not decarbing frequently enough.<br />And that last one is allways a guestimate, based upon actual operational parameters like water temp, RPM's, intervals between WOT and idle, and fuel/oil mixture and manufacturers. I use a 'rule-of-thumb' ,every 10 tanks full of fuel (about 80 hours in my operation), and I change plugs then also. Your 'rule-of-thimb' will probably be differentr..I idle 80% of the time due to manatee protection zones imposed by the marine gestapo...If you are at full bore 80% of the time, you may never need to worry about port fouling carbon.
 

199675hpforce

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Re: Hey marine DR got a question

thanks for the post thats good info however its the lower housing that im talking about. When i did the impeller change i never used any silicone when i put the lower unit back into place. Guess the water or exhaust goes through there. Its very much like my Merc i had. Dr mech told me I should have used silicone when putting the lower back on the housing. I did not do this because my manual did not mention this. On the 90-120 is said to do this. Guess my manual sucks and i dont trust it. My engine does not run right and taking it to a mech makes no sense they work on the old crap.
 

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Re: Hey marine DR got a question

Sorry about that. I mistook the exaust plate as the "exaust port plate", which is on the port side of the block.<br />The lower unit exaust is not critical, because it can't break loose and clog anything. Also, the lower unit needs to be removeable, which, if you use a sealant, may give you fits at the next impeller maintainance.
 

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Re: Hey marine DR got a question

Hey 12foooter.. Good to see ya back on the forums.<br />Even though not in the Merc threads... :( :(
 

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Hi, Unicorn. It's good to be back, and thanks.
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<br />I had to put my priorities in order, and have had little time for online activities. And what little time i did have, I spent opining about the "party wars" in another forum. I'm done with that stuff. Too many hard-earned emotions when it comes to my country's future. But enough about that crap....It's great to be back .Expect a lot of posts from me
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andrewkafp

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Re: Hey marine DR got a question

12Footer's new slogan... "Never met a Force I didn't love" :D :D :D <br />It will be good for the owners of these Force motors to have the involvemnent of some of you experienced outboard guru's helping out...<br />Trust me, when I got my first old 1980 Merc 1 year ago I was a bit nervous that maybe I made a bad investment. (People in OZ seem to know little about preventative maintainence).<br />"Just go out and buy a new one on credit" :eek: :eek: <br />The posts I've read on here have given the old Merc a good fighting chance to survive many seasons (Hopefully) :confused:
 
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