how do manufacturers determine hp for their boats?

moseslake

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the max hp rate for my boat is 145hp yet i've seen other boats the same length (17') with bigger motors(175-225hp outboards) or even v8 i/o's. i'm not complaing about my hp, just curious. i would like to know so i can explain more to my son. he thinks we can put any size motor on our boat, he loves speed. thanks.
 

Silvertip

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Re: how do manufacturers determine hp for their boats?

It all has to do with hull design, hull width, hull depth, weight, etc. Installing an engine larger than the maximum indicated on the manufacturers plate creates serious liability problems for you should you ever be involved in an accident. The other party, after a court battle, will own all your stuff.
 

Texasmark

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Re: how do manufacturers determine hp for their boats?

Length and width have a lot to do with it and it is determined by some formula developed by the USCG and/or BIA. That's why you will see a boat with a snauze sticking out 3 feet in front of the boat proper or a 1' piece of gunwhale trim off the sides to get that LxW number to get the hp rating up.<br /><br />The boat I currently have is one of those and runs faster than you want to ride with a 90 yet it is USCG rated for a 130.<br /><br />Mark
 

rodbolt

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Re: how do manufacturers determine hp for their boats?

its an archaic formula that is based on flotation and the ability not to eject the helmsman if the helm is turned 180* at wot.<br /> its a funny thing but has not been updated in years and years.<br /> kinda like most other govt things.<br />has nothing to do with can the hull actually stand the power.<br />thats why some of the boston whaler type boats can be rated for idiotic amounts of power.
 

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Re: how do manufacturers determine hp for their boats?

Well, I don't agree, rodbolt.<br /><br />Manufacturers are very liability conscious. Look at three 14'X5' hulls. One rated for 15hp, one for 25hp and one for 40hp. Most of the time the rating for tiller control and remote control differ by as much as 100%. Hull strength and rigidity are very different, though the dimensions are nearly identical.<br /><br />That has to do with the hulls ability to handle power and the pilots ability to control it.<br /><br />While I agree that many Boston Whalers are much more user friendly boats with 70% of rated power than 100%, they can handle the full rated power but are harder to control.
 

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Re: how do manufacturers determine hp for their boats?

I agree with you JB, but I think the 180* turn at WOT must play a role.........How else can one justify 2 different maximum hp ratings on a single hull. One being tiller rated, the other wheel rated. I dont know how much they differ percentage wise, but I have seen 10-15hp difference on the EXACT same hull.<br /><br />So I think its a combination of hull strength, transom strength, and ability to safely maneauver.
 

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Re: how do manufacturers determine hp for their boats?

Code of Federal Regulations<br /><br />Title 33: Navigation and Navigable Waters<br />PART 183—BOATS AND ASSOCIATED EQUIPMENT <br />Subpart D—Safe Powering <br /><br /><br />§ 183.53 Horsepower capacity.<br />The maximum horsepower capacity marked on a boat must not exceed the horsepower capacity determined by the computation method discussed in paragraph (a) of this section, or for certain qualifying boats, the performance test method discussed in paragraph (b) of this section.<br /><br />(a) The maximum horsepower capacity must be computed as follows:<br /><br />(1) Compute a factor by multiplying the boat length in feet by the maximum transom width in feet excluding handles and other similar fittings, attachments, and extensions. If the boat does not have a full transom, the transom width is the broadest beam in the aftermost quarter length of the boat.<br /><br />(2) Locate horsepower capacity corresponding to the factor in Table 183.53.<br /><br />(3) For a boat with a factor over 52.5, if the horsepower capacity calculated in Table 183.53 is not an exact multiple of 5, it may be raised to the next exact multiple of 5.<br /><br />(4) For flat bottom hard chine boats with a factor of 52 or less, the horsepower capacity must be reduced by one horsepower capacity increment in Table 183.53.<br /> <br /><br /> Table 183.53_Outboard Boat Horsepower Capacity<br /> [Compute: Factor=Boat LengthxTransom Width]<br /> <br /> <br /> <br />If factor (nearest integer) is...................... 0-35 36-39 40-42 43-45 46-52<br />----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br />Horsepower Capacity is.............................. 3 5 7.5 10 15<br />----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br /> <br />[Note: For flat bottom hard chine boats, with factor of 52 or less, reduce one capacity limit (e.g. 5 to 3)]<br /><br /><br /> <br /><br /> <br />----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br /> No remote steering, or less than 20[sec] transom<br /> Remote steering and at height<br /> If factor is over 52.5 and the boat least 20[sec] transom -------------------------------------------------<br /> has height For flat bottom hard<br /> chine boats For other boats<br />----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br />Horsepower capacity is (raise to (2xFactor) -90......... (0.5xFactor)-15........ (0.8xFactor)-25<br /> nearest multiple of 5).<br />----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br /><br /><br />(b) For boats qualifying under this paragraph, the performance test method described in this paragraph may be used to determine the horsepower capacity.<br /><br />(1) Qualifying criteria. (i) Thirteen feet or less in length;<br /><br />(ii) Remote wheel steering;<br /><br />(iii) Transom height<br /><br />(A) Minimum 19 inch transom height; or, <br /><br />(B) For boats with at least a 19 inch motorwell height, a minimum 15 inch transom height;<br /><br />(iv) Maximum persons capacity not over two persons;<br /><br />(2) Boat preparation. (i) The boat must be rigged with equipment recommended or provided by the boat and motor manufacturer and tested with the highest horsepower production powerplant for which the boat is to be rated, not to exceed 40 horsepower.<br /><br />(ii) Standard equipment must be installed in accordance with manufacturers' instructions.<br /><br />(iii) The lowest ratio (quickest) steering system offered on the boat model being tested must be installed.<br /><br />(iv) The outboard motor must be fitted with the manufacturer's recommended propeller providing maximum speed.<br /><br />(v) Standard permanently installed fuel tanks must be no more than one-half full. Boats without permanent tanks must be tested with one full portable tank.<br /><br />(vi) Portable tanks must be in their designated location or placed as far aft as possible.<br /><br />(vii) The outboard motor must be placed in the lowest vertical position on the transom or, if mounting instructions are provided with the boat, at the height recommended.<br /><br />(viii) Boat bottom, motor and propeller must be in new or almost new condition.
 

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Re: how do manufacturers determine hp for their boats?

The classic Boston Whaler 13 is a good example, PONY. 20HP for tiller operation, 40hp for remote steering. Same hull, different weight distribution and different pilot stability.<br /><br />The classic 11 ratings are 10hp and 20hp.
 

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Re: how do manufacturers determine hp for their boats?

I have had two small tiller controlled 14 ft aluminum boats (a SYLVAN and a PRINCECRAFT) of very similar length and width...and weight. One was rated for a 15hp(SYLVAN) and the other for a 25hp(PRINCECRAFT)!<br /><br />That archaic formula that rodbolt refers to must have been used to determine there hp capacities.<br /><br />The PRINCECRAFT could handle the power much better in turns. (It had a more flat bottom at the back with ribs on either side and three ribs underneath.) I had an 18 hp Merc on it and you could feel it could handle more.<br /><br />The SYLVAN was darn scary in turns even with it's rated 15 hp (a 15 Evinrude). It's hull design was more rounded at the back instead of flat. You could feel and see the water coming right up to the sides and it slipped sideways quite a bit in tight turns. <br /><br />So that archaic formula, although primitive, works.
 

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Re: how do manufacturers determine hp for their boats?

Not that it matters but dimensions did play a part in the determination as mentioned......that was all that I remembered over the years.<br /><br />Mark
 

waterinthefuel

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Re: how do manufacturers determine hp for their boats?

I've got a 13.5 foot fiberglass semi-v hulled stick steer boat. The front 3 feet is just "nose", so its really like a 10 foot boat. It's probably only 4 feet wide at the bottom of the hull. It has little more than 2 or 3 inches of freeboard at the rear with my little 28 and my dad (170lbs) in the back seat, and its rated for a 40!! My 28 at wot does nearly 30 mph and in that boat its squirrely at that speed, I can't imagine a 40 on it. I don't think it could hold one of the new 4 stroke 40's. <br /><br />I don't know how they come up with their ratings, but it's crazy. My little boat has a very tall transom, so that may be where they can rate it up a few HP. That's nuts man, someone would get hurt in my boat with a 40, no doubt.
 

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Re: how do manufacturers determine hp for their boats?

Same with mine. It's tin and has a high rake snauze that vee's looking down on it also.....so there isn't anything there like yours. The transom is flared to 86" at the rear top while the bottom is only 60". It has a small wetted area as yours and is rated for 130 hp. The 90 I run on it is all you can handle; can't emagine what the rated hp would do.<br /><br />Mark
 

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Re: how do manufacturers determine hp for their boats?

thats why I say it really has nothing to do with structural rigity or actual stability at speed.<br /> most of that comes from manufactures fear of a lawsuit.<br />take a 19ft carolina skiff, I think it was rated at 120 HP for remote and 90 for tiller.<br /> both hulls are absolutly identical.<br /> exactly NO differences.<br /> both can and will flip in a panic turn or a sudden loss of steering turn. I have recoved a few that my duck hunters flipped.<br /> they get the rating due to flotation,hull width and the 25" transom. not because they can actually handle it.<br /> you would not believe how many we warreted due to the hull pounding apart at the bow.<br />with a 21 skiff and a center console with no seats and a 100 suzuki I can eat up any whaler with a 90 jonnyrude, until we hit the crab pots on the laffeytte river near the norfolk yaght and country club.<br /> but so far in my searching for how to rate a hull I have found absolutly no structural standards.<br /> in the above example covering boats under 13Ft I see nothing concerning actuall strength.<br /> for that we pretty much have to rely on class action and fear from lawsuits.
 

deejaycee_2000

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Re: how do manufacturers determine hp for their boats?

Seeing past all the math on this matter ... I have a 2.6 meter inflatable that has a max limit of 5hp, I modified the transom and increased the highjackers slightly and now run a modified 30hp with tiller arm on it, it runs very smooth and perfectly balanced, even on full power doing a 90 degree turn with no worries of flipping, not even the 60 hp enduro can keep up. Some of the abalone poachers here in South Africa have 15 meter semi-rigid inflatables with 4x 300hp engines on them, water cops can't catch them .... explain that :)
 
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