How long at or near WOT

PAkev

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Most of my home lakes have launch sites within just a few minutes from my fishing honey holes. However, when I travel to some larger lakes the praised fishing can be as far as 20 miles from the launch. <br /><br />Although my Yamaha F150 four stroke is rated for running at 5500-6000 RPM's at WOT, On these longer trips I usually keep it around 4000-4500 RPM's at the expense of a few less MPH in order to have a little better peace of mind that I am not working the motor too hard.<br /><br />I would just like to hear some thoughts on how long you can run an outboard at or near WOT before compromising engine longevity.<br />Helpful thoughts appreciated<br /><br />Kevin<br />2004 Polar 2010 / Yamaha F150
 

jimmbo

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Re: How long at or near WOT

Most marine engine dodn't wear out, they die a horrible twitching death from lack of maintanence. That said... In the 60s OMC and Mercury were designing for a target life of 1000 hr @ WOT. That might not sound like much but at 100hr/yr meant a 10 year life. Backing off to 3/4 throttle will more than double or triple the engines lifetime. Comparing an auto engine life was an apple to oranges comparison. Auto engine are rarely run at WOT and therefore have long lives. In the 60s an auto engine operated at WOT might have lasted 200 maybe 300 hours before it needed rebuilding.
 

Solittle

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Re: How long at or near WOT

No one really know with the four strokes as they have not been around that long. I run mine like you run yours.
 

TELMANMN

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Re: How long at or near WOT

Why run WOT? I usually pull back a slight amount every once and a while just to keep the RPM'S different. <br /> My first motor was a 40 merc. and it lasted 18 years before it decided to quit(underwater object, crank broke etc)but I always made sure to vary the speed on long runs.
 

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Re: How long at or near WOT

I run most of my 4-strokes WOT hours on end...weather permitting. They're designed to do that, and I've never found that running them back extends their life. <br /><br />Carbed 2-strokes will have "hot" spots in their throttle range because no carburetor can meter fuel/air exact all the time. I've found some of the coolest cylinder temps at WOT where the main jets are metering plenty of fuel. The highest temps are at the jet transitions (ex: 3/4 throttle)<br /><br />Oil injected outboards also seem to meter more oil at WOT.<br /><br />Every outboard has a louder, harder working resonance somewhere in its RPM range that you can hear. I always try to avoid running at these levels. If I can't run WOT for the life of the outboard, I don't want it.
 

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Re: How long at or near WOT

Forktail wrote:<br />Carbed 2-strokes will have "hot" spots in their throttle range because no carburetor can meter fuel/air exact all the time. I've found some of the coolest cylinder temps at WOT where the main jets are metering plenty of fuel. The highest temps are at the jet transitions (ex: 3/4 throttle)<br /><br /><br />How were you measuring the cylinder temperatures? Were you using a dash mounted gauge, thermocouples, or an infrared temp gun? <br /><br />Most outboard cooling systems have pressure relief valves to allow the motor block to run cooler at full speeds and when they close at lower speeds, the motor heats up for a better idle due to thermostatic controls.<br /><br />Now if you were referring to combustion temperatures, yes, they will rise as power is increased,or starts burning leaner, but not necessarily the cylinders or the head temps due to modern outboard cooling system design.
 

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Re: How long at or near WOT

It all depends on what you are measuring...<br /><br />There is no doubt, that at WOT the metal temperature of the head(s) will be at it's highest... Water temps may be lower however compared to at below 3000rpms because of the pressure relief system.
 

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Re: How long at or near WOT

I dont know what Forktail measures with but we found the same thing using pyrometers or an EGT (exhaust gas temp) gauge. I assume he uses the same as he said he's measuring cylinder temps which is different than a cylinder head temp.
 

Forktail

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Re: How long at or near WOT

By seahorse - How were you measuring the cylinder head temperatures? Were you using a dash mounted gauge or an infrared temp gun?
Head temps? That won't do you much good in a liquid cooled engine. You can stick a piston due to extreme cylinder temps caused by a lean condition long before you see an increase in head temp. <br /><br />I'm talking about instantaneous cylinder exhaust temperatures, using a pyrometer. This is one of the best proven ways to monitor the combustion of fuel/air mixtures.<br /><br />My point is that no carburetor has a perfectly linear fuel delivery system. Carbureted engines run off of the Bernoulli Principle which says as the air velocity through the carburetor increases, the pressure decreases. In other words, if you had a butterfly carburetor with the butterfly wide open (WOT), the velocity of air would be great. Thus the pressure would drop causing fuel to be "sucked" from the bowl and into the metering system. With the butterfly almost closed (idle), air velocity would be minimal causing very little fuel to be metered. The pressure difference meters fuel flow proportional to the volume of air flowing into the engine. <br /><br />But small amounts of fuel can't be metered through a big jet very well, and big amounts of fuel can't be metered through a small jet very well. Trying to do so will result in rich and lean conditions, along with stalling and bogging. That's why we have carburetors with idle jet and main jet circuitry. <br /><br />So we must have transitions in metering. But there are spikes, gaps, and inconsistencies occurring where the air/fuel metering is transitioning. Whether it be a transition from the idle/pilot jet to the mid jet, or the idle jet to the main jet. Not to mention most carburetors have small castings or machining flaws which disrupt proper mixing. <br /><br />This is why some carburetors are designed to include an ammulus around the main discharge nozzle which supports the short duration between the main metering system and the idle system, when both would be inoperative. They are inoperative at transition because too much pressure drop will occur for the idle jet to handle, and not enough for the main to use. This is where the lean condition and high cylinder temperatures can happen.<br /><br />Round and flat "slide" carburetors have helped reduce the transition gaps, but they will still exist.<br /><br />The worst situation for a 2-stroke carbureted engine is where the engine is running WOT and maximum RPM, and then it's suddenly idled down. At WOT the engine is receiving maximum fuel, which is cooling the cylinder. At sudden idle, the cylinder no longer sees the fuel which was cooling it, but it's still reciprocating and trying to fire at extreme RPM. Thus you have piston seizure. This is why a lot of 2-stroke racers "burp" the throttle or "choke" the engine after a hard WOT run. They're simply saving their engine by squirting more fuel into it which causes the cylinders to stay cool.<br /><br />Most consumer carbureted outboards are jetted very liberally to avoid problems. But that is why they get worse economy and spew more emissions. <br /><br />
Now combustion temperatures will rise as power is increased, but not necessarily the cylinder head temp due to modern outboard cooling system design.
Combustion temperatures in a 2-stroke will only rise if the air/fuel mixture is leaned out. It is not necessarily RPM or power dictated. Again, many 2-strokes will run cooler combustion temps at WOT where full fuel is cooling the cylinder than at 3/4 throttle where a metering transition is occurring causing a leaner air/fuel ratio.
 

seahorse5

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Re: How long at or near WOT

Forktail wrote:<br /> I've found some of the coolest cylinder temps at WOT where the main jets are metering plenty of fuel.
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Forktail:<br />I'm talking about instantaneous cylinder exhaust temperatures, using a pyrometer. This is one of the best proven ways to monitor the combustion of fuel/air mixtures.
<br /><br /><br />OK, instantaneous exhaust temps, that's fine, just making sure we were on the same page. Another accurate combustion temperature method is to use thermocouple spark plugs, but those are out of reach of most enthusiasts.<br /><br /><br />
Forktail wrote:<br />My point is that no carburetor has a perfectly linear fuel delivery system.
Hey, once again we are in perfect agreement!<br /><br /><br />Forktail,<br />When you were an automotive engineer, did you ever get to run the 1 cylinder SAE engines with the quartz window to watch the combustion process?
 
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