SigSaurP229
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I have not had a chance to do the electric trouble shooting on the top side of the motor.
Right now the lower unit is sitting in pieces. Lower has not shifted out of forward gear since I have had it. (it is stuck in default forward).
The first time I took it out I got a HUGE surprise and now know why these motors are dock crashers. GRRR got a nice scuff mark to prove it. Took it home assumed the switch in the controls was bad replaced it with a known good one sold to me by a member from Iboats, and changed the lower unit oil. It was white not a good sign but neither the drain or vent screws had washers. So I got new washers new Premium blend lower unit oil change.
No luck still stuck in forward (by default). Oil is white like a vanilla milkshake again.
So I know the first thing I need to do is track down the water leak. I am currently changing propshaft seal driveshaft seal and the solenoid gasket also again new washers on the drain and vent screws. Also new water pump impeller.
In this process I discovered this is MOST likely not the original lower unit as the propshaft seals that I ordered do not fit the bearing carrier. I took it to my local dealer and what should have been the correct propshaft seal (the same part number as I ordered) did not fit either the the outside diameter was much to large and the inside diameter was WAY to large for the propshaft. Also looking at the schematics
http://www.boats.net/parts/search/BRP/EVINRUDE/1972/65272S 1972/GEARCASE/parts.html
http://www.boats.net/parts/search/BRP/EVINRUDE/1970/60072B 1970/GEARCASE GROUP/parts.html
My Bearing carrier looks MUCH closer to the 2nd link listed. I am kind of shooting blind here but I BELIEVE that the lower has been swapped with one from an earlier motor. The 1970 looks like a 60 hp version. I don't want to trash the whole thing because of this but are these two compatible. When stuck in forward it planed my boat in about 2 seconds flat and was running about 34 mph easily down the lake.
In the process of tearing things apart I decided that I would also try a few things as well.
The first thing I noticed when tearing the whole thing apart was that part number 49 above the top solenoid was missing all together (the wave washer that sits on top of the upper solenoid).
Also when I removed the solenoids I BELIEVE they were testing at about 8 OHMS but I have a VERY crappy cheap tester. I do know for sure that when I put them in a vice I could ground my battery and put a direct ground to the body of the solenoid then put the hot side of my 12 volt battery to the green wire and it would push the shift rod and hold it until I removed the 12 volt hot. Then I could put the 12v hot onto both wires and both solenoids would click and push the shift rod out and hold it until I removed the 12v hot.
My question is this would water intrusion cause the system to not build the pressure needed to shift?
Would the missing wave washer cause a no shift?
After running the test and knowing that both solenoids will function does this do anything about eliminating the solenoids being the problem?
Right now the lower unit is sitting in pieces. Lower has not shifted out of forward gear since I have had it. (it is stuck in default forward).
The first time I took it out I got a HUGE surprise and now know why these motors are dock crashers. GRRR got a nice scuff mark to prove it. Took it home assumed the switch in the controls was bad replaced it with a known good one sold to me by a member from Iboats, and changed the lower unit oil. It was white not a good sign but neither the drain or vent screws had washers. So I got new washers new Premium blend lower unit oil change.
No luck still stuck in forward (by default). Oil is white like a vanilla milkshake again.
So I know the first thing I need to do is track down the water leak. I am currently changing propshaft seal driveshaft seal and the solenoid gasket also again new washers on the drain and vent screws. Also new water pump impeller.
In this process I discovered this is MOST likely not the original lower unit as the propshaft seals that I ordered do not fit the bearing carrier. I took it to my local dealer and what should have been the correct propshaft seal (the same part number as I ordered) did not fit either the the outside diameter was much to large and the inside diameter was WAY to large for the propshaft. Also looking at the schematics
http://www.boats.net/parts/search/BRP/EVINRUDE/1972/65272S 1972/GEARCASE/parts.html
http://www.boats.net/parts/search/BRP/EVINRUDE/1970/60072B 1970/GEARCASE GROUP/parts.html
My Bearing carrier looks MUCH closer to the 2nd link listed. I am kind of shooting blind here but I BELIEVE that the lower has been swapped with one from an earlier motor. The 1970 looks like a 60 hp version. I don't want to trash the whole thing because of this but are these two compatible. When stuck in forward it planed my boat in about 2 seconds flat and was running about 34 mph easily down the lake.
In the process of tearing things apart I decided that I would also try a few things as well.
The first thing I noticed when tearing the whole thing apart was that part number 49 above the top solenoid was missing all together (the wave washer that sits on top of the upper solenoid).
Also when I removed the solenoids I BELIEVE they were testing at about 8 OHMS but I have a VERY crappy cheap tester. I do know for sure that when I put them in a vice I could ground my battery and put a direct ground to the body of the solenoid then put the hot side of my 12 volt battery to the green wire and it would push the shift rod and hold it until I removed the 12 volt hot. Then I could put the 12v hot onto both wires and both solenoids would click and push the shift rod out and hold it until I removed the 12v hot.
My question is this would water intrusion cause the system to not build the pressure needed to shift?
Would the missing wave washer cause a no shift?
After running the test and knowing that both solenoids will function does this do anything about eliminating the solenoids being the problem?
