I hate to ask, but a prop question...

gewf631

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A 1985 115HP, S/N 06631131<br /><br />Current prop is part# 48-77348 A40L 21P<br />Can't find this # on Merc's site, but I'm guessing that it's a 12.75" diameter, with a 21 pitch.<br /><br />WOT listed is around 5500 RPM, and this prop spins around 5,000 under normal conditions, with a little cavitation in certain circumstances, but certainly acceptable.<br /><br />I assume that a good replacement choice would be to move to a 13" 19P prop (staying with aluminum). From what I've been able to determine, this would raise my RPM's about 400, which should put me closer to the "ideal" range.<br /><br />So, question# 1 - reality check - are my assumptions correct?<br /><br />Question #2 - should I move-up to a 17P, or would this put my RPM's a little too high?<br /><br />Thanks in advance!
 

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Re: I hate to ask, but a prop question...

I think you are close. Is your current prop cupped? If it is, you can gain approx 200 rpm by having the cup taken out. A 2" change in pitch will result in 3-400 change in rpm.
 

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What kind of boat is it on?<br /><br />Don't worry about going too high on the rpm. The inline 6's love to rev and your motor has the power-ports which make it even more rev-happy.<br /><br />The motor will live longer if it's propped for a lightly-loaded WOT of 5600-5800. Doesn't mean you have to run there all the time, the WOT figure is a baseline.<br /><br />BTW be sure your timing is adjusted to no more than 21 deg BTDC or you run the risk of burning pistons.<br /><br />Use non-alcohol unleaded fuel and good TCW-3 oil. <br /><br />Also highly recommened that you decarbonize with Seafoam as the Merc rings are very thin and prone to carbon buildup. <br /><br />It'll make your Merc a very happy Tower of Power!<br /><br /><br />HTH......ed
 

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Re: I hate to ask, but a prop question...

IBNFSHN thanks for confirming my hunch! The current prop isn't cupped, so that 300-400 should be good.<br /><br /> Ed Mc. I'm just a little worried about propping for 5600-5800.<br />It's on a mid-70's 18 foot Starcraft aluminum. <br /><br />Thanks again for the replies!
 

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Ed F. Merc says top prop your engine for 5000 - 5500, Running the engine at higher rpms results in less than rated horsepower and a drop in top speed.
 

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With the crappy fuels we have these days propping slightly high is a good thing. As EdMc said, you don't have to live there. My engine spec is for 4800, I run a prop that'll take me to 5100. I will probably be pulling the motor down at 1000 hours and I don't expect any problems. My brothers' 90hp is speced at 5500, he can pull 5800 on a good day, again the engine is loaded slightly light and runs a real treat. <br /><br />The smaller prop will give you better acceleration (I think the yanks call it 'hole-shot'), better 'drive-ability' and less 'loading up' in swelly conditions. Go with a smaller prop and feel the benefits. :D <br /><br />Chris....................
 

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jimmbo Thanks for the input.<br /><br />You too, achris!<br /><br />I just worry about pushing the motor that much. Since I'm dropping one size anyway, I'll see how that works. I can always go down another size in the future (or pick up a reconditioned or composite prop if I really want to).<br /><br />Thanks everyone for your input.
 

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You're right about the dia & pitch.<br /><br />As that # fits, you're running the same props as the 75-115 hp 3&4-cyl range with the 4 1/4" gearcase.<br /><br /><br />The 13x19" alu is # 48-77346A40. Do consider the Hustler alu prop, many here are pretty happy with them and they offer good value. (Link on this site).
 

gewf631

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UU Thanks for the suggestion. Price-wise, they're right there, so I might just give that a try.
 

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If your motor is in good shape, you're not going to hurt it by running it at 5800 for a WOT test. You're only going there to see what the max rpm is.<br /><br />The whole point of prop selection is to make sure you're running in the correct band for the motor's power characteristics. The mfr's guidlines are typically very accurate, but in this case there's a baseline of over 30 year's experience in running the Big Inlines and some changes had to be made to make them last. <br /><br />If you 'lug' a motor by having too much pitch on the prop, this shows up even at speeds less than WOT. For any given boat speed, inline 6's like to be running on the faster, not slower side. <br /><br />Lugging a motor increases piston/rod/bearing loads and also increases heat in the combustion chamber. These motors are very sensitive to this because of the bore size, and the fact that Merc ran very thin rings which are easily heat-damaged.<br /><br />Bottom line is, don't lug an inline 6. If you want it to live, prop it for WOT 5600-5800. Doesn't mean you have to run it at that speed all the time, it will mean that the engine will be spinning a bit faster for any given boat speed. The engine loading will be less, and the engine will 'work' easier. This will make it last longer.<br /><br />Back in the mid-80's I built a 1350 for my 16' Sidewinder. It was a screamer on that boat and would run right up to 6000 rpm. That motor found its way onto my next boat, a 17' Seaswirl Spyder. I had to prop down because the boat was heavier.<br /><br />The motor saw many hours of skiing/playing and never missed a beat. I sold it in '97 (to much regret later on) and last year it happened to come up for sale again. The motor had never been touched, ran as good as ever, and the boat sold before I could even look at it!<br /><br />Had an old Merc 1000 on a 14' Fiberform that likely saw 6500 many times, burnt up from a bad impeller and rebuilt, ran for many many years after that without a hitch.<br /><br />The 6's like to run, they're not like the newer Merc 3's and 4's that don't tolerate rev's. <br /><br />Inlines have a small bore and stroke, and you're not even close to dangerous piston speeds at 6000 rpm. The 1500 XS Merc was essentially stock internals and revved much higher than this.<br /><br />At any rate, IMHO, check with the other Inline Mavens on this board and I expect they will confirm what I'm saying.<br /><br />BTW the 90HP six is probably an exception, they have small ports and don't breathe real well at higher speeds. But other wise they have the same internals and are a very durable, low-stressed, and economical motor. They still have a good hole shot, just not killer on the top end.<br /><br />HTH...........ed
 

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What Ed says is true. The inlines were turboed as an experiment (mid 70's I think) and were often run at over 7000 revs. The 1500XS is specced at 6500 rpm. My experience has shown that the quickest way to kill one is to over-prop it. ie Too much pitch. <br /><br />Chris............
 

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I know that the I-6s can be reved higher than 6000 and hold togerther but a lot of these engines weren't ported to make power that high, and mercs, generally tend to have peaky torque curves where the hp falls off rather quickly after it peaks. Merc even reccommends underpropping their engines for skiing and then says be carefull about WOT. I certainly agree about the 90, an excellent stump puller up to about 4800. I ran an 84 115 for 14 years It was propped for 5500 and ran great. <br />BTW when Mercury did 'Operation Altas' in 1957 they over propped their engines and then trottled back to 4500 for the 25,000 mile endurance run.
 

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Yes, the 90hp inline 6 didn't have the 'power ports' in the block and 'ran out of breath' at about 5000. All the books I have on the 115hp, right back to 1970 say 5,000 to 5,800, so at 5,500 you should have a very happy motor. :) As said before, this same block, pistons and rods is quite happy at 6,500+. <br /><br />Chris..............<br /><br />FWIW. My favorite outboards!
 

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A thing to bear in mind about "Operation Atlas". The engine used was a 60hp inline six. This is a different block to the later 6's, so will have exhibited different characteristics. Like comparing apples and oranges.<br /><br />Chris...........
 

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Those little merc were still the basis of later models up to the 1969 or so 125hp a little smaller but still the same. the early 115s were rated 4800 - 5300, the early 140s (1972) and 150s were 4800 - 5800 and even then the mercury prop books stated short term use sbove 5300. Thats what my 1972 merc brouchue list the rpm ranges<br /><br />In 84 they switched to a lower dome on the piston
 

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Man, what a great discussion this turned out to be, all over a 'simple' question on props!<br /><br />I'd sure like to see pics of a turbo'd I-6, seen a 1500XS, T1, and a T2X up close but a turbo!!!!???<br /><br />The sound must have been phenominal!!
 

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They pulled something in the order of 300hp out of it! I'll go searching for more info, and hopefully a pic......<br /><br />Chris............
 

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Re: I hate to ask, but a prop question...

Here is an ad for the XS motors<br />
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