I have caught the restoration disease......

RobbyA

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First off, I want to say kudos and WOW to all the restoration threads on here and a big thank you for posting and updating them. They have kept me entertained for 3 weeks with the end nowhere in sight. I have read and read for weeks with very little production in my life. Never would I have thought about buying or receiving a broke down boat to fully restore, but now thanks to you all, that is all I think about. So in a smart alec way, thanks for the curse. Now to the apology, sorry, but this is going to be a long post. Now to what I think I want or need.

I want and/or need an early to mid sixties runabout. I love the style and body lines of these models. In the midst of planning though, I want to make sure I am not breaking any restoration rules. For example, I want to FULLY restore the boat and put a new 60-70hp 4 stroke Honda motor on it. To me it seems wrong to completely rebuild a fine piece of American history and throw a Japanese motor on it, but I want years of trouble free use. Throwing an old ?tower of power? on the back looks cool and is very nostalgic, but the reliability is not there to me. I have children that will be teens by the time this thing is finished and I want to let them take this to the lake with trouble free use. I also want to be able to tube and/or possibly ski behind it with the family. Money is and is not a factor in the rebuild, for example, if it is going to cost $200 for wood or $400 for sea-cast, I am going with sea-cast. I want the boat to outlast me in hopes that my son can give it to his son. Another reason and the way I sold it to my wife is I am a smoker, I want to quit, but when I quit I get all fidgety and need something to do and what better to do than remodel a boat, right? The rules are I quit, use the money I spend on smoking to remodel the boat, if I start back up the boat gets sold. The amount of money spent on smokes each month is plenty to start the project (around $250.00).

Okay, now aluminum or fiberglass.

I really like the aluminum Starcraft, but have very little metal working experience. I can weld aluminum but I do not have a welder. I wouldn?t mind needing a reason to buy one either. I like fiberglass hull designs, but don?t have the room to split the halves and store the top half while working on the hull. I am an avid woodworker ( build custom cabinets out of my garage ), and have a lot of mechanical knowledge (turned wrenches since I can remember ). As far as the work I know I can do it, but I need arguments for both aluminum and fiberglass. What would you do for a first time restoration project? What are the pros and cons of each. I also must add that I am the king of good intentions, I love to start projects but procrastinate to finish. That?s where you guys come in, to keep me motivated and as some type of accountability. I also have a finish date from time of purchase in mind of two years that way it gives me a goal to reach for. Twenty four months @ $250.00 a month equals $6000.00. Is that enough to remodel the boat not including the motor or am I nowhere near close enough on funds? The motor I will buy outright when it is finished.

So, a long intro to my restoration thread, now time to sit back read all the comments, search craigslist and put down the smokes????
 

Huron Angler

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Re: I have caught the restoration disease......

I'm rebuilding a 1979 Starcraft SuperSport and will come nowhere near the 6k ballpark on cash spent when I'm done.

I paid 1k and have another grand into it give or take. It's been on the water and everything has gone well. I do consider myself lucky to have gotten what I did for that price.

The new outboard may be the bulk of your estimate.

As far as putting an Asian OB on a classic old American hull...why not just buy a new 2-stoke Evinrude Etec, made in the USA and some of the best machines ever built.:D
 

drewpster

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Re: I have caught the restoration disease......

I think a Starcraft would be a great choice, and I am a glasser. There are some beautiful Starcrafts here and tons of support. As far as the funds go, just plan on spending more than you thought and be o.k. with it. There is never enough money or time, you just have to deal with it. Like I told my wife, if we do this, know up front that it is a commitment. You cant go at it with a half heart. or think of it as a once-in-a-while past time. The only comparison I can come up with is that it is like restoring your house. Once you get started, you have to finish. You don?t want to live in a half finished house? You don?t want a half finished boat. That's the deal. In a way the cost will help you stay committed. Its all so expensive once you are invested in it, you have to get done. But I promise all the sacrifices are worth it. It has been one of the greatest accomplishments of my life. And I'm not done yet!

Kind of like quitting smoking....
 

geeco1

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Re: I have caught the restoration disease......

RobbyA,

First of all...Kudo's on the decision to quit smoking. I have never smoked, but I do have my vices that I should give up.

We could use some more information as to the size, shape, use, etc of what you are thinking of. I don't think that this will answer your question, but here are a couple of things to think about....

First of all, in 24 months, you could build your boat from scratch (check out Glen-L.com or similar sites).

As for Alum vs. glass, unless you bought a boat that was literally "broken in half" I would doubt that you would need to do any welding. (but don't tell your wife that and buy the welder anyway:D)

I can only assume that you are looking at something in the 14 - 16 foot range. I think that your cost to restore would be way less than 6 grand. I just restored my 17 footer for about $600 and will probably put in another $400... so $1000 total for me, your mileage may differ. From what I've seen, unless you are going cabin cruiser etc, most on here seem to remodel for around $2k. If you were going for woodplank barrelback cruiser, then that may be another story.

Since you seem to be pretty open, I would scour the internet for boat images from that era and see which ones catch your eye. Then see if you can find one on CL or something. That may decide your Alum/glass delimma. I prefered aluminum because it was ligher than glass. Plus, I felt that my skills were more suited to aluminum vs. glass.
 

starcrafter65

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Re: I have caught the restoration disease......

Great Idea!

Check out the Starcraft restorations thread in the Starcraft section for lots of ideas!!
 

RobbyA

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Re: I have caught the restoration disease......

Something like this,

http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/boa/1784113136.html

in the 16 ft range.

ETA: Ya'll are saying 1k, is that for wood, screws, fiberglass resin and cloth, paint, and materials etc to prep the hull? I want it looking factory showroom quality. I also want to add in stereo and new custom seats and that is at least 1k.
 

drewpster

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Re: I have caught the restoration disease......

looks ,like a winner. May want to see how hard it is to get a windshield though.
 

Woodonglass

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Re: I have caught the restoration disease......

Welcome to iBoats! The FEVER will subside but I hope the passion stays forever! Tin or Glass is up to you. Costs, I think you are WAY high! I am a purist. The Old Evinrude motors of the 50's and 60's are some of the best ever built. A complete re-build and restore on one of them is usually less than $2000 dollars and that covers every Nut, Bolt and Impellar!!!!! Once it is rebuilt, it don't know it's 60 years old and will be as dependable as a new one. To me putting a NEW motor on an old Classic is NOT KOOL but to each his own. You will learn a lot, you will enjoy the trip, and WE WILL all be here to help you on the way.

Harbor Freight will become your favorite store.
Get a 4" Grinder, 40 and 60 grit flap pads, a GOOD Respirator, Tyvek Suit, Dremmel, Sanders, Circular Saw and you are set. US Composites.Com is a Great resource for Resin and Glass. Use Exterior Grade plywood from Lowes or HD PL Adhesive, Marine-Tex 3-M 5200 or 4200 Rustoleum, Pettit EasyPoxy, or Interlux Paint. Start thinking up some good excuses on why you should be working on the boat instead of spending time with the family, get a good back scratcher for those hard to reach spots when the fiberglass starts itchin, learn to love cold showers cuz hot ones makes it itch worse, Learn who your real friends are when it comes time to FLIP your boat or take it off the trailer, or take the engine off or put it back on.

That covers some of it, the rest you'll just have to learn as you go!!!


Good Luck and Have fun

:D
 
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lrcustom

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Re: I have caught the restoration disease......

RobbyA.
Welcome to Iboats.

First.. It's not a disaese it's a condition, a sindrome, a way of life, but not a disaese. It cannot be treated with meds. You must understand that the only way to get through this is with a very good support group. And you found the best.

As far as the smoking...Congrats on the dicision. This will be the hardest thing you may ever do. I know started in 1959 and quit more times than I started. I to have a similar plan about the boat. It's my reward for the quiting. You said that you would sell the boat if you started again. Just want to pass on to you that you should not kick yourself in the a## when you slip up. Be good to self and just try again. I do subtract my slip ups from my budget. In that way I am not accepting failure and am continuing on with limits for both the boat and smoking.

The working on the boat has help beyond what I expected to the point that I would rather work on the boat than smoke and I think that will soon become I DON'T SMOKE. That will be a great day.

So Good luck on both projects.
I will get off my soap box.
Go build you a nice family boat for the family (and of course for you)

LR
 

Woodonglass

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Re: I have caught the restoration disease......

I think your total costs for a LIKE NEW Classic Should be close to 4 to 5 K
Thats if you rebuild an Old motor,and it cost 1.5K have the Interior professionnaly re-done for $1.5K. You can do the rest your self for 1 to 1.5 K
 

ezmobee

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Re: I have caught the restoration disease......

You won't find any more help, fun, and camaraderie, than you will if you choose an aluminum Starcraft for your project. We're an awesome bunch. This isn't to say that everyone on here isn't great and I personally read just about every resto thread but I often see some of the glass threads languish with no help (props to posters like Woodonglass who have been really making to effort to help EVERYONE). We Starcraft guys are NUTS for our tin, your tin, everyone's tin. We'd love to have you. Have you seen bananaboater's boat similar to the one you just posted? If that doesn't have you runnin' out the door to buy it, I don't know what will :D

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ezmobee

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If you go glass, micks110's restoration should pretty much be your bible

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For your outboard, I think a 70's or newer JohnnyRude could be made every bit as reliable as a new motor. Otherwise, yeah, get an ETEC!
 

bananaboater

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Re: I have caught the restoration disease......

Welcome Robby A. Looks like you are approaching this decision like I would. Open minded and asking for advice. I used to smoke as well and am glad I quit, good choice!

Couple things. If you are serious about a 60-70 HP you are talking about a 16-18 foot boat. The one you posted looks like a Jet and max is 50hp. It could be a bit small for 4 adults and all the associated gear although all the pics in advertising shows 4 folks in the boats. An aluminum SC Super Sport 18+ ft. might better serve from what you describe. Readily available, easy to restore, and a good looking boat. Here is a "mash" site where you can search for one in your area.

http://boat.jaxed.com/cgi-bin/boat.cgi?cat=boa&itm=

And I have a friend here in N Miss. that has one available. My photobucket page has pics of his blue/white SS. PM me if you want more info. Look for KH Starcraft album.

Good luck, Albert
 
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ezmobee

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I don't know Al, while I certainly love my SS.....it's not exactly a classic cruiser. A Jupiter might be nice. I had 5 adults in mine once and you can put up to an 85 on one.

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starcrafter65

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Re: I have caught the restoration disease......

I'm rebuilding a 1979 Starcraft SuperSport and will come nowhere near the 6k ballpark on cash spent when I'm done.

I paid 1k and have another grand into it give or take. It's been on the water and everything has gone well. I do consider myself lucky to have gotten what I did for that price.

.:D

Don't tell him that! - He'll keep smoking and fix up old boats!
 

Mark42

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Re: I have caught the restoration disease......

I found that by far, the greatest expense was a late model used outboard motor, followed by epoxy. Unless you really, really really need to use epoxy, go with polyester/vinylester resin.

I made a project plan, grouped items by category, and listed their supplier and the cost. Often listed the same part multiple times because more than one supplier had a good price. Then group as much of the items together for an order to a specific supplier to get the best price and cheapest shipping. I use three suppliers regularly, plus places like Mcmaster.com for odd ball fasteners, raw materials, not specific to boating.

Good luck picking a boat. Its fun if you are not rushed.
 

RobbyA

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That is perfect!!!! I need another month or two to get the garage in order to accept its newest roomie and to pull a little cash together. I would love to spend no more than $500 but for the right boat I will pay upwards of 1k. Columbia MO --> Gainesville, TX + or - 600 miles.... ouch. sounds like a road trip. woohoo
 

BobsGlasstream

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Re: I have caught the restoration disease......

RobbyA,
Welcome to Iboats.
Rebuilding boats is a great way to spend a day. Well make that months or years. :D
Which ever way you decide to go you can count on getting the help you need here. The folks here, have a extremely broad base of knowledge and will help you along the way.
It's even better if you can get the family involved in the rebuild too like several of the folks here have done. You can almost never go wrong with a StarCraft.
Good luck on the decision and the stop smoking plan.
Bob
 
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