I know when to quit...at least this time!

c903

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I took my present boat in trade only because a bud of mine wanted a collectable firearm I owned. So for the heck of it, I decided to restore a near-vintage boat (1971) and the 1974 Evinrude 70 HP that is on the boat. <br /><br />The boat had been kept mostly inside or completely covered, and the motor is very clean, was overhauled 2 years ago, and has less than 50 hours on the rebuild. I spent 3+ months completely refurbishing the boat and installed a new water pump kit, thermostat kit, and sparks in the engine. <br /><br />Made maiden run about a week ago. Motor started on first hit, sounded good and ran very good, but did experience fuel starvation at full throttle. No sweat, I suspect a too small fuel line and filter in new plastic tank. However, as I was idling into dock, the lower unit went out. Hard to say what caused the malfunction.<br /><br />I have spent the last week checking out every possibility and resource to replace lower unit. $1500.00 for rebuild and $1800.00 - $2000.00 for rebuilt/new unit. The used units I came across were on motors that been sitting in the weeds, back yards, or boat yards, for lengthy periods, in snow, rain, etc. <br /><br />It is just not practical to put that much money into an engine that is 31 years old, only to have something else give out. Considering that the boat is in excellent shape, and it is the boat that I put the most money in, I have decided to part out the rest of the engine and consider a newer engine in the coming spring. <br /><br /> Shame, but you have to accept when it is wise to surrender. :(
 

dragula65000

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Re: I know when to quit...at least this time!

I know what you mean. I'm just too darn stubborn to know when to quit. One of these days I'll either get the picture or I'll be dead.
 

joblo33

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Re: I know when to quit...at least this time!

Check a marine recycler. The local marine recycler gives me legs for $20 each. I've gone through 5 legs this year from hitting rocks in the rivers between lakes at my summer cabin with my Merc 50.<br />Eric
 

almost retired again

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Re: I know when to quit...at least this time!

It's not a hard re-build. There is only one shimming operation. Then you would only be out the cost of a gearor gears, seals and new oil.
 

Goodoleboy

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Re: I know when to quit...at least this time!

When you say the lower unit went out. What...! big bang....just stoped turning????!..what!<br /><br />Could be something realy simple...like an adjustment on the shift linkage.<br /><br />If its just been overhauled and runs good....shoot I wouldnt chucker just yet.<br /><br />Drain the oil from lower unit and see if you have metal particles in oil...!<br /><br />If what you heard was a sudden big bang...like mabey you hit something in the water. Its likley your clutch dog is slipping....No biggey! <br /><br />Real easy to fix. Bout 70 bucks for a new one. Mabey even turn it around and no bucks at all. Sept uh seal kit uhcourse.<br /><br />Lower units arent hard to rebuild.<br /><br />Let us know what the oil looks like. I think you gat uh dimond in the ruff and jest dont know it.<br /><br />Good luck!
 

c903

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Re: I know when to quit...at least this time!

Goodoleboy:<br /><br />In deep water when sudden bang from interior of engine. Stuck magnetic probe in fill-ports of lower unit and pulled out slivers of metal. Previous inspection of gearcase showed just normal metal "dust." Oil was clean and absolutely no water in oil...post-malfunction inspection.<br /><br />Lower unit is locked and will not shift and prop will not turn. When I removed lower unit, flywheel turned as it should, compression felt good with and without plugs installed, no abnormal noise in upper end.<br /><br />I did did consider repairing lower unit myself, and have the skill to do so, however the engine requires at least three to four special tools that I searched for and cannot find and are probably costly.<br /><br />I would like to fix the lower unit, but it appears the odds are against me.
 

Goodoleboy

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Re: I know when to quit...at least this time!

Shoot Idd go for it. You can fix at sucker up good as new. If all the gears in it are trashed, shouldnt cost more than 3hdr or their bouts. If prop shaft got bent..good machine shop can straightin it for 25 bucks or so.<br /><br />For get about them "special" tools they just do that to drum up business.<br /><br />Theirs more ways to improvise around that..than uh country boy has places to go pee.<br /><br />Your tempted aint ya..I can tell from here. <br /><br />Good luck!
 

c903

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Re: I know when to quit...at least this time!

Goodoleboy:<br /><br />Gotta admit, you are motivating me to attack again.
 

JB

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Re: I know when to quit...at least this time!

c903,<br /><br />Wrenching on outboards is recreation, not a business investment. <br /><br />Economic logic has nothing to do with the joy of resurrecting a sick or injured JohnnyRude. That is priceless.
 

c903

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Re: I know when to quit...at least this time!

JB:<br /><br />Almost poetic! :)
 

lark2004

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Re: I know when to quit...at least this time!

obviously we all know the term "A Labour of Love"
 

itstippy

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Re: I know when to quit...at least this time!

If you've already made up your mind to part it out, where's the harm in tearing into the lower unit? As far as putting $ into a motor that's 31 years old, $1,500 for a rebuilt lower IS a lot of money. If you don't want the motor for other reasons, rebuild the lower yourself for a few hundred and sell it for $1,000. That'll go a ways towards a newer motor. Those lowers you ran across sitting in weeds could be a fine source of parts. Sitting in an aluminum housing, bathed in oil tends to keep gearsets pretty happy. Newer doesn't necessarily mean less costly to keep on the water. I see posts all the time on here about 3 or 4 year old motors with VERY expensive problems.
 

BF

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Re: I know when to quit...at least this time!

as goodoleboy says, necessity is a mother when it comes to the "special" tools. <br /><br />When redoing my merc LU, I did some creative grinding of a wide pry bar to make a "shifter seal tool", also made up a bearing carrier puller using a couple of long threaded hook things (like eye-bolts, but the eyes weren't closed all the way) with nuts and a cross piece to fit over the end of the prop shaft. Also, I had to grind a wrench to be a bit thinner in order to fit in and hold the pinion nut.<br /><br />All in all, tools were not a big problem... finding a new driveshaft and bearings etc was where I spent some money.<br /><br />Pick up a manual if you don't have one, and look through the LU section. Maybe you'll get encouraged, or maybe scared off. But like has been said, what've you go to lose by opening it up?
 

djzyla1980

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Re: I know when to quit...at least this time!

If all is well in the top end I'd keep it. Most people have "new" motors on the lakes... It's the old ones I like look at. <br /><br />Sounds like alot was done to the top end... So fix the bottom and she very well could be as good as a new one.
 
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