I need your help! Johnson 9.5 year and carb/choke issues.

gfakkema

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Hello,
I have recently bought a Johnson 9.5 and had a few questions. First, I would like to know the year of this motor. The serial # says MQ-10S, which would make it a 1964, but there are a few discrepancies. After looking around the motor a bit, the numbers on the carb (309726) and some features make it look like it is slightly newer, 1968 from what I gather. Also, the slow idle knob is attached to the carb via a wire/cable. I was under the impression that the earlier motors, '64-'66 had a solid rod that connected the knob to the carb and that the newer ones had this wire/cable. The idle speed adjustment on the side of the tiller, near the gas port, is also tell-tale of the slightly newer motors (newer than '65). I am just not sure if the carb and some parts have been replaced on a 1964 frame/powerhead or if the powerhead/carb are from a '68 and the transom mount (and serial plate) has just been replaced. I have attached some pics if they help at all.
Also, when taking the motor out on the water, I had some problems. It starts first pull every time and runs like a top. I can get it up the 1/2 throttle with no problems, but then it starts to bog and the rpm's fluctuate up and down a little. If I pull the choke out (choke engaged), it then rev's out great, sounds healthy/strong and gets the boat to plane out like a champ. When the choke is pushed in (choke disengaged) it starts to bog again. I have checked the tank and lines and they all seem to be satisfactory. It just seemed weird that it would bog like it is not getting enough fuel, but engaging the choke and giving it less oxygen/more fuel worked well. Just seems to me like it gets plenty of fuel when the choke is engaged, so I kind of discounted clogged fuel lines and faulty fuel pump. It even does this with the hood off, so I have also ruled out an exhaust leak. After a little research, I have come to the conclusion that the high speed needle is the probable culprit. I have ordered a carb rebuild kit and plan to fully clean everything in hopes that this will help. Does any one have any other ideas as to what else may be causing this? Also, it runs great when I pull the choke out and leave it. Will this hurt the motor at all if I continue to do this? Thanks is advance for any help and advice that you may have.
 

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jbjennings

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Re: I need your help! Johnson 9.5 year and carb/choke issues.

After you rebuild your carb it will likely run perfectly. THe condition you describe is classic for a dirty carb. If it gives you any further trouble, try taking the cowl off and see if that affects it. Those 9.5's sometimes have trouble with exhaust leaks.
 

Rick.

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Re: I need your help! Johnson 9.5 year and carb/choke issues.

Can't help with the year of build as you seem to have parts from different years but your transom mount is a 64, LOL. your on the right track with a carb. kit. You need to clean the high speed passage which is in the bottom of the bowl. You need a special tool to get the seat out or you risk damaging it to the point it will never be removable. After a good cleaning you will be able to run at high speed without the choke on. Your not harming it in any way but your not getting full performance either. You should change the gear oil and water pump impeller also. once you determine it's a keeper you should get a OMC service manual for it. Best of luck. Rick.
 

gfakkema

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Re: I need your help! Johnson 9.5 year and carb/choke issues.

Thanks Rick. A few more questions for you... 1) I have read elsewhere that you need a special tool to remove the high speed jet, but wasn't sure where to find one, any input or part numbers to help? 2) I have seen that many people recommend not using wire etc. to clean the jet, so what should I use to clean it. If removed, will carb cleaner and blowing it with air clean it enough? 3) It seems that many of the part numbers under the hood (if not all the part numbers) have a 309 prefix (i.e. 309726 on carb, 309582, and more) which makes me think that all the powerhead assembly is original, but someone replaced the transom mount with the serial number. Anyone know if the 309 prefix means anything such as a specific year? 4) Is there any other way, beside the serial number, to determine the year of this outboard? I would really like to get a specific year so that I can order parts without wondering if I'm getting the right ones. Thanks again for any help/advice/input!
 

gfakkema

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Re: I need your help! Johnson 9.5 year and carb/choke issues.

Also, I have read that the freeze plug on the top of the motor (spark plug side) can help in determining the year of the motor, but could not find anything conclusive about this number. The number is J2700177 if this helps at all. Thanks.
 

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Re: I need your help! Johnson 9.5 year and carb/choke issues.

I am also working on this same carb right now. I'm looking for this "special tool" everyone is talking about for cleanings the high speed port. Where do I find this tool? Or how does one make it? Any info on where/how to get this tool would be awesome!! Pictures and how-to's are very welcome :)
Thanks!!

Also, when I clean the carb... Should I soak the carb in cleaner or just use the carb spray cleaner instead?
 

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Re: I need your help! Johnson 9.5 year and carb/choke issues.

I don't know what this "Special" tool looks like, I've never seen one but I can tell you that I removed that jet on my 1966 the other day with a small slot screwdriver, the kind that have a pocket clip like a ball point pen. Once you have the drain screw out, shine a flashlight into the hole and you will see that the jet has a groove across the top just like the head of a screw, Mine came out with no effort at all but I suppose if the jet was seized into the carb you could damage the top of the jet trying to get it out and that could really complicate matters. My advice would be to give it a try with a screw driver but be gentle.
 

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Re: I need your help! Johnson 9.5 year and carb/choke issues.

jet removal tool #317002 ~ $20..check ebay or order from the dealer
 

jhohanshelt

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Re: I need your help! Johnson 9.5 year and carb/choke issues.

Good news... I found the tool on eBay. Bad news.... It's $30!! No way i'm paying for that. I will try and use a small flat screw driver like you said and go gentle on it. Thanks
 

jbjennings

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Re: I need your help! Johnson 9.5 year and carb/choke issues.

A flathead screwdriver has a taper to the blade. When you put it in the slot on the plug, it expands the slot and makes the plug harder to unscrew and also expands the slot and causes the sides of the brass plug to break off.
You can make your own tool by carefully grinding a screwdriver so that it has no taper. The blade also needs to fit the slot very snugly.
Hope this helps. Personally, I just clean them really good and sometimes use a copper wire to clean it further. I rarely if ever take out the orifice plugs.
JBJ
 
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