I screwed up clear coating wood with epoxy....

jtrom

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I am installing a cedar floor in my Starcraft. I bought some epoxy and used it to clear coat and seal the underside of the cedar planks before I installed them. Well I rushed it and didn't mix the 1 to 1 mixture nearly long enough, and now it is eternally tacky....what can I do?...can put on another light coat over the tacky coat?...or just install it tacky since it's the underside anyway?...
 

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Re: I screwed up clear coating wood with epoxy....

Eternally??? Soooo... How long has it been? What was the mix ratio supposed to be and what ratio did you actually use?
 

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Re: I screwed up clear coating wood with epoxy....

Eternally??? Soooo... How long has it been? What was the mix ratio supposed to be and what ratio did you actually use?

Ok..maybe not eternally...but it's been 24 hours and it says max 7 hours to harden (not "cure")...I used the correct ratio but it says to mix a full 2 minutes, and I mixed 10 seconds (I read the directions after the fact..I know, I know..) I am used to using poly which seems to be more forgiving of mixing technique...
 

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Re: I screwed up clear coating wood with epoxy....

I'd give it till tomorrow or the next day before you panic. 10 secs is for sure not enuf mix time but there's a chance it might have immersed enough to eventually harden especially since the ratio was correct. No Guarantees but I'd give it the time.
 

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Re: I screwed up clear coating wood with epoxy....

when I mix my epoxy I use the double mix and pour method...I measure my ratios into mixing cup and stir 2 minutes then pour into my roller tray and stir again for 2 minutes...supposedly some sticks to the sides during initial mix and doing the double mix ensures proper mixing
 

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Re: I screwed up clear coating wood with epoxy....

.or just install it tacky since it's the underside anyway?...

Ayuh,.... I think I would,...

Sticky side down, 'n continue with properly Mixed resins on out....
 

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Re: I screwed up clear coating wood with epoxy....

I'd put it in the sun for a day or 2 and see what happens.
 

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Re: I screwed up clear coating wood with epoxy....

Do not alter the mix ratio if you plan to put another coat over it, hot coating by over catalyzing is never recommended with any type of resin.

Will just applying another coat work...possibly...it all depends on the epoxy, how well it did get mixed, and if it cures well enough to hold up to stresses it will see. There is no sure way to know unless you've made this mistake with exact same epoxy and ratio and then applied another coat over it and used it for a few years with no failure.
 

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Re: I screwed up clear coating wood with epoxy....

I'd put it in the sun for a day or 2 and see what happens.
I agree with putting it out in the sun. I've had good success triggering a slow batch of epoxy resin to go off by hitting it very carefully and non aggressively (just warm it a little, don't overheat it) with an electric heat gun from about a foot away moving it continuously to avoid hot spotting. A heater or heat lamps can do the same thing. A little warmth definately speeds things up. After it gets warm, let it normalize in cooling and it will probably harden. In my model airplaning days, I sometimes would hit the stuff rather agressively until it started bubbling, after which it would flow together in a nice gloss, and then harden rather quickly. I don't recommend bubbling it though. It was just something that I did and it worked at the time in a cold garage.

It will probably harden over time anyway with enough time.
 

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Re: I screwed up clear coating wood with epoxy....

These products are formulated to reach the desired physical properties at the ratios recommended by the manufacturer, sometimes the ratio can be adjusted a little, but not a great deal. And without discussing it with a tech rep from the company or being a chemist yourself, you won't know what the effects will be. It may become very brittle and crack, or stay rubbery and somewhat soft and weak, neither of these are desirable. If you didn't mix the first batch well enough you will have areas of too little hardener and areas of too much hardener, with a few that may be just right, so the cure will be uneven. This doesn't mean it "will" fail, only that it will be more likely to.

You can look at it this way. If you have a rope that is rated for a 1000 lb load, but you only need to lift 400 lbs, you could theoretically cut 50% of the strands and it would still lift the load. The rope may not fail at 400 lbs, but it is still much weaker than it would have been. When you mess with the hardener/catalyst ratio outside of what is recommended you really have no idea what the exact consequences will be, but you can count on the physical properties being compromised, possibly to the point of total failure.

Applying a coat of over catalyzed resin over a layer of under catalyzed resin doesn’t really help much. All you have is garbage applied over garbage. Now it is possible that where these two layers meet there is a few micron thick layer of properly cured resin, but it’s sandwiched between the two bad layers, so what do you gain.

You can leave it alone and see what happens, apply another layer of properly mixed resin, or remove what’s there and do it again, this part is up to you.
 

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These products are formulated to reach the desired physical properties at the ratios recommended by the manufacturer, sometimes the ratio can be adjusted a little, but not a great deal. And without discussing it with a tech rep from the company or being a chemist yourself, you won't know what the effects will be. It may become very brittle and crack, or stay rubbery and somewhat soft and weak, neither of these are desirable. If you didn't mix the first batch well enough you will have areas of too little hardener and areas of too much hardener, with a few that may be just right, so the cure will be uneven. This doesn't mean it "will" fail, only that it will be more likely to.

You can look at it this way. If you have a rope that is rated for a 1000 lb load, but you only need to lift 400 lbs, you could theoretically cut 50% of the strands and it would still lift the load. The rope may not fail at 400 lbs, but it is still much weaker than it would have been. When you mess with the hardener/catalyst ratio outside of what is recommended you really have no idea what the exact consequences will be, but you can count on the physical properties being compromised, possibly to the point of total failure.

Applying a coat of over catalyzed resin over a layer of under catalyzed resin doesn’t really help much. All you have is garbage applied over garbage. Now it is possible that where these two layers meet there is a few micron thick layer of properly cured resin, but it’s sandwiched between the two bad layers, so what do you gain.

You can leave it alone and see what happens, apply another layer of properly mixed resin, or remove what’s there and do it again, this part is up to you.

Yeah,I didn't think it would matter that much beause it was on the underside of the deck either.
 
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Re: I screwed up clear coating wood with epoxy....

I vote for the sun and if that doesn't work and you're really worried about it, go buy some more wood and do it again.

I wasn’t going to bring this up but….just to let you know. My dog’s cage has plastic flooring that began to crack. Me being me decided I could flip it over and lay a bit of glass on it and epoxy. Over the first coat, I mixed correctly and spread it out with a flat blade. It went on smooth and looked great. I decided to add another coat of epoxy while everything was still wet. I pumped the epoxy into the container; my wife called me for something. I return quickly and pour part of the epoxy onto the surface realizing I had not thoroughly mixed it. No BIG deal, I thought. Mixed the remaining and poured again. It will all mix together…..right? Next day, the unmixed area was tacky. Everything else was rock hard. Three days later, still tacky. I mixed a little more and applied. Three days later…still tacky. A month later…still tacky.
 

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Re: I screwed up clear coating wood with epoxy....

Also- What temps are you at?? When they give a 7 hr cure time, it's often at 70, 75, or 77 degrees (seems to depend on the manufacturer), and even a small drop in that temperature can really lengthen the cure times. I use a 'fast' hardener that is supposed to have a 15 min pot life (at 70 deg), but at lower temps it can take 24 or more hours to cure... I've been told by the manufacturer that I can get a good cure all the way down to the mid 40's, but it takes a LONG time.

This is from MAS, But applies in general to epoxies (though the numbers may not be exact from brand to brand)-

For every 18 degrees F., the temperature falls below 77?F, the pot life will double for the mix. The thin film set will come close to a 1.3 increase in time. The exact opposite will occur as temperatures increase above 77?F.

And, Remember- Pot life and cure time are not the same, the cure time is going to be a lot longer.

Thinner coats of epoxy take longer to cure, too- as mentioned in the quote. Heat speeds the cure, and thicker epoxy applications generate more heat (the chemical reaction actually creates the heat... Ask anyone who's mixed a nice big batch of epoxy up, then stepped away and forgot about it- Only to come back to a melting mixing pot!), which speeds up the cure time.
 

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Re: I screwed up clear coating wood with epoxy....

the epoxy I use actually states that if temperatures fall below 50 the epoxy will stop curing...but curing will resume once the temperature comes back above 50...interesting stuff that epoxy
 

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Re: I screwed up clear coating wood with epoxy....

Definitely get some heat on it if it was mixed right and in the right proportion as the temps do make a big difference. I had some epoxy that was tacky for days until it warmed up. In the end it did set up but I did a second coat with extra hardener in it...but that won't give you much of any time to work with it as it sets up quick.


Try a test area if you'd like a as an experiment...
 

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Re: I screwed up clear coating wood with epoxy....

YD, FYI Glen-L-Marine makes a 1:1 Epoxy Called PolyGrip however it is used primarily as a glue. Much like all of the 5 min and 10 min epoxy glues are a 1:1 mix.

Yes..I should have said " 1:1 Epoxy Resin " LOL :D ..

I was just wanting the information of what Brand or System of Epoxy he was using so I could do some further research for him :) ..

Hope he comes back..

YD.
 

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Re: I screwed up clear coating wood with epoxy....

Lat warning This is a high maintenance discussion. It is re-opened. If your comments are gone it was because they were fueling fires and eliminated.

Do not try to set this on fire again.
 

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Re: I screwed up clear coating wood with epoxy....

I'd just like to know what happened to the OPs epoxy, did it ever setup?
 
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