I should have never joined this site!

c903

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I am now an official member of the “Let’r Burn” club....and the blame lies with this forum. ;) I have owned several outboards, from used to new, and never had any problems worth mentioning. It was not until I joined this site that I discovered that the outboard trouble-free reliability that I have experienced was apparently unusual. <br /><br />For kick-and giggles, I decided to restore a vintage boat and motor that a bud had and wanted to trade for a military pistol I had and he wanted badly. The boat is a 15' 1971 Crestliner “Muskie” walk-through, mounted with a 1974 70 hp “rude “Triumph.” The boat was in great shape for its age (kept mostly inside) and the engine had been rebuilt 2 years ago and had less than 50 hours on the rebuild. <br /><br />Three months later, following complete restoration of the interior and exterior of the boat, including installing expensive 1/4" “Lexan” windows, complete refurbishing of the hull, new water pump kit and thermostat kit in the engine, and all components of the engine cleaned and tweaked, I took her out for her maiden voyage. <br /><br />She started on the first hit and sat and idled like a dream. Ran her for awhile to allow her to warm up her long idle (2 years) muscles. Engine ran as cool as a cucumber. Came of ½ throttle and slowly poured the coals to her. At about 3/4 throttle she lost power and began to surge. Tried all the tricks to get more fuel to her but nothing worked. No problem and no big deal. Appeared to be a fuel starvation problem that I would track down when I got her back home.<br /><br />Idling into to dock when I hear her “bang.” Tried to restart but engine would not turn. Once on the trailer, and although doing so is a no-no, I hit the switch and she fired. I immediately switched her off. Today I pulled the plugs and tried to turn the flywheel. It did for a bit and I heard nothing in the upper end that sounded suspicious, then she locked. I stuck a magnetic probe in the lower end oil fill. Pulled out a multitude of large and shiny filings. Lower end shaft has much play.<br /><br />I am now an official member of the “Let’r Burn” club because I was infected by joining this site. ;)
 

Goodoleboy

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Re: I should have never joined this site!

Yep...Its planed that way. When people join on to this site who have no motor problems, and snicker and make cat calls at folks with motor problems.<br /><br />Well guess whut.......yeper...... you quessed it.....BANG...! Its your turn!<br /><br />Welcome to the club.<br /><br />Iam just kiddin ofcourse...I hope you were to.<br /><br />Good luck!
 

rbezdon

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Welcome c903!! I have had the same experience. I have had a trouble free experience with my outboard while having all kinds of issues with my I/o. Yesterday we went to go out fishing in the "little" boat and it wouldnt move, wouldnt go into gear. Raised the engine to find the prop and every ounch of hardware missing!! Now finding the right prop to start with is a pain. Everyone wants to know the existing prop size and pitch and the WOY RPM before recommending a prop. Not possible s it is gone!! Oh well, got something from a local shop and we are going to try it later on but up till now the outboard sure has been easier to run than the I/O.<br /><br />By the way, where in Illinois are you??
 

c903

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vatter41:<br /><br />Champaign, Il.
 

c903

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I just pulled the lower unit. Spun the flywheel and it moved freely and no suspicious sounds in upper end.<br /><br />No water in lower unit oil. However, it appears that water had entered the exhaust tunnel or what I see is fresh 2-cycle oil residue. Undetermined at this time.<br /><br />The question I have; is it norm for there to be water sitting on top of the lower unit but not in the sealed (oil) section?
 

OBJ

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Water discharge is blown out with the exhaust. Keeps the exhaust housing from burning up. You may see some water laying on top of the lower unit, not unusual.<br /><br />Gear failure can be caused by a lot of things, even the way you shift. Do you snap the gears in or let them slide in with a little grinding noise? Age of the gear case can contribute also.<br /><br />And you don't really know what kind of abuse the gear case went through before you or your friend got hold of it. Who knows?<br /><br />Really sorry to hear of your malady.... :( But if it wasn't for boats.....we wouldn't be here. Let us know how we can help.
 

Jquest

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Originally posted by OBJ:<br /> Do you snap the gears in or let them slide in with a little grinding noise?
I'm sorry. I don't mean to derail the thread or anything ,but I'm still learning. What do you recommend as far as getting into gear? Learning about boat engines is a constant learning experience in my book. :confused:
 

c903

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Thank you, OBJ:<br /><br />I do not cram the gear and I always make sure the RPM is appropriate. However, as you said, although the upper end was rebuilt 2 years ago, hard to say how well the lower unit was maintained or how abused it was. <br /><br />I did have some dings on the prop blades that revealed the previous owner smacked the prop blades on something hard more than one time.
 

OBJ

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Jquest....snap the engine into gear. Don't ease it in. Letting the engine "slide" into gear puts undue wear on the clutch and gear lobes. So, a snap in is best. Having the engine at the right idle rpm when you shift is also very important. In a high speed idle shift, the gears and clutch dog lobes get really creamed when the engine is shifted into gear as well as the stress put on the gears them selves. This is why you will hear on the forums that the right idle is a contributing factor to long life of a gear case.<br /><br />So, right idle, snap the engine into gear. Means a gearcase with a longer life.<br /><br />You always take a chance when you buy off of someone in the private sector. Human nature won't let us tell all the abuse we've give a mechanical thing. C903, hope you guys get outta' the malady your in. We're here to help, so don't hesitate posting any questions.
 
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