I THINK I FINALLY KILLED IT!!!!!! Engine Seized????

Allmand

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I was out in Galveston bay....put in a new impellar but was suspect of a possible clog in the cooling system. I installed a new temp guage, could not find a new temp sender so I kept the original in. Started engine with muffs...never seemed to go above 140. Water was flowing from outdrive, and water pooring out of prop exhaust port seemed warm to the touch.....not hot.

So I figured maybe the temp guage is accurate, and it seemed the water was flowing. So we took it out. Put it in the water, fired up quick and took of toward the Galveston Causeway. From the boat ramp I was doing about 15 knots.....did this for about 10 minutes non-stop...temp guage stayed at 140...which made me begin to worry because that is unlikely. Like a jackass, I figured I would bump up the speed to see if the temp guage would rise a little (because it should). So I did about 20-25 knots for about 5 minutes with no change in the temp gauge. Found this highly suspicious, so I stopped the boat and cut off the engine. The exhaust manifold was VERY hot to the touch. Let it sit for about 5 minutes and went to restart..turned key, click. turned key, click. turned key, click. Nothing.

No attempt of the engine to turn over...figured I had a bad battery. My uncle dropped his boat in the water, brought me a new battery AND a jumper box. Installed the new battery...went to try and start it...CLICK!! Just one click each time you would turn the key. So I hooked the jumper box to the battery...and again click...just one click with each key turn. So he towed me in. Next day took the starter to get it tested....said it was good. Asked them to test it again, said everything tested out good. They said it could be a selonoid going out...bought a new seloniod and all new wiring from battery to starter, and ignition system to starter....spent all day re-wiring and intalling the starter with new selonoid. Finally finished. Battery read 12.5 Volts, went to start and CLICK!!!! Just one single click. I KNOW the starter is getting 12V and I know the starter gear is extending to catch the flywheel. I can only figure I over heated the engine with that long WOT. This is an old 1966 John Allmand Cabin Cruiser...

How can I tell if the engine is seized? I would usually put a breaker bar on the bottom pully and try to turn but the engine mount is in the way. Are there any other ways to check for a seized engine? Does the normal man have the arm power to stick a flat head in the flywheel and try to turn it??? I am at a loss of mind and money. Anybody know what may be going on here???
 

franktrav

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Re: I THINK I FINALLY KILLED IT!!!!!! Engine Seized????

possibly hydrolocked, pull spark plugs and check for water in cylinders
engine is easier to turn over manually with the plugs removed
 

thumpar

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Re: I THINK I FINALLY KILLED IT!!!!!! Engine Seized????

Yep, pull the plugs and try. If still no go then pull the outdrive.
 

191Seanymphstriper

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Re: I THINK I FINALLY KILLED IT!!!!!! Engine Seized????

Put the boat in foward take the plugs out and the prop off. Get a MM socket to fit on the prop shaft and a long bar over a breaker bar and turn shaft to the right!
 

Allmand

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Re: I THINK I FINALLY KILLED IT!!!!!! Engine Seized????

Thanks for the tips...I will give them a try today.
 

Allmand

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Re: I THINK I FINALLY KILLED IT!!!!!! Engine Seized????

One more thing....it did this clicking thing once before. It do the same exact thing, but it would eventually fire up. That is what made me think it was the starter..maybe it could be the gears in the starter not lining up to the flywheel? Maybe something else....I mean. It's not that easy to seize a motor up is it, you have to really run it hard and long right?
 
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Re: I THINK I FINALLY KILLED IT!!!!!! Engine Seized????

If the engine was or is hydrolocked you wanna get the water out of the cylinders ASAP before any rusting starts. Remove all plugs and turn it over. Let us know what you find.
 

dingdongs

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Re: I THINK I FINALLY KILLED IT!!!!!! Engine Seized????

pull the drive and try.if the drive has seized you will not be able to roll engine over on the starter motor.
 

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Re: I THINK I FINALLY KILLED IT!!!!!! Engine Seized????

Put the boat in foward take the plugs out and the prop off. Get a MM socket to fit on the prop shaft and a long bar over a breaker bar and turn shaft to the right!

I would advise against this method. If your engine is locked up and you go putting to much torque on your prop shaft,gears,bearings and mess something up. You can go ahead and start looking for another outdrive as well as a new engine...

If you have enough space behind your engine,you can put a strap wrench on the coupler where the drive shaft enters and turn over the engine
 

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Re: I THINK I FINALLY KILLED IT!!!!!! Engine Seized????

You may have a bad ground or cracked 50 amp breaker.

Of course see if the engine will turn with a wrench, if it does then its not seized, then look around at your connections and test them under load.

I tested my breaker with the key on and it was fine, I left the tester on and tried to start it and no Volts!!!

Took the breaker out and found a hairline crack next to one of the posts. The connection could not handle any load, but would still test out 12+volts just sitting there.

And of course your out drive like they said above, check everything and make sure its still free.
 

rabbitprobe

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Re: I THINK I FINALLY KILLED IT!!!!!! Engine Seized????

As stated, just turn it with a wrench at the pully. simple enough
 

Alpheus

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Re: I THINK I FINALLY KILLED IT!!!!!! Engine Seized????

If its an inline engine you cant get to the front pulley...
 

bigskiohio

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Re: I THINK I FINALLY KILLED IT!!!!!! Engine Seized????

do you have a relay /solenoid? a click or a clunk?
 

191Seanymphstriper

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Re: I THINK I FINALLY KILLED IT!!!!!! Engine Seized????

I would advise against this method. If your engine is locked up and you go putting to much torque on your prop shaft,gears,bearings and mess something up. You can go ahead and start looking for another outdrive as well as a new engine...

If you have enough space behind your engine,you can put a strap wrench on the coupler where the drive shaft enters and turn over the engine



My advice will work if the engine is not siezed or if the flywheel is not stuck etc. If you have to apply a very large amount of presure, Yes do not hang on the bar and try to turn it. But this is a easy test way to see if she is freed to turn the crank over slowly. You may indeed have a locked drive and putting tons of presure will not be a great idea and if you have a locked motor putting tons of presure can hurt the drive if the motor is locked.

I am sry for not posting these side effects info etc. But if it is not a siezed motor or drive and a electrical issue etc then my technic will work without applying significant presure like hanging on the wrench to get it to turn!

I Appoligise
 

Allmand

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Re: I THINK I FINALLY KILLED IT!!!!!! Engine Seized????

do you have a relay /solenoid? a click or a clunk?

I have a selonoid...possible a relay too. Its a click, not a clunk. Also there is a white ceramic type deal with wires connected to it above the starter...could this be point of break?

I could not turn it because its a inline 6 and a mount is in the way...so, I checked the oil. Very clean, no water or gray streaks and its at the appropriate level. I took out each plug and stuff a lint free piece of rope down into each cylinder and no oil or water in any of the cylinders. Maybe the starter is good but for some reason its not getting enough power to turn it

Like Kris Kraft said....even though the starter reads twelve volts just sitting there, maybe with a load its not getting the power it needs. Cracked breaker or something.

I will look at the things you guys have posted, I will report back. Also, I may be putting it in a shop to have someone just look it over and tell me if its froze and if its not what is wrong. I will report back
 

Allmand

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Re: I THINK I FINALLY KILLED IT!!!!!! Engine Seized????

Update:

Took it to a local shop (has been my uncles boat mechanic for years) being there no oil or water in any of the cylinders, the oil in the crankcase is at the appropriate level and looks brandnew, he said it's unlikely that the motor is frozen.

Should know for sure today....
 

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Re: I THINK I FINALLY KILLED IT!!!!!! Engine Seized????

I am sure the engine is not seized.

If you have water in the cylinder(s) you are correct that you cannot turn the engine ....but after a few days - maybe a week - I am sure that the water will slowly get beside the pistons and drain into the oil below. Hereafter you can turn the engine for sure... I realize that if the water is salty you may have other damages but the engine can be turned. Piston rings are indeed tight in a good engine but not that tight that they hold water for several days. I have learned this the hard way!
 

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Re: I THINK I FINALLY KILLED IT!!!!!! Engine Seized????

Up in the adults only section is a troubleshooting procedure for the starting system. you describe a click rather than a clunk. Armed with that procedure and a test light, bet money you would be replacing the 20 slave solenoid...although all the new parts are nice...
 

Allmand

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Re: I THINK I FINALLY KILLED IT!!!!!! Engine Seized????

Up in the adults only section is a troubleshooting procedure for the starting system. you describe a click rather than a clunk. Armed with that procedure and a test light, bet money you would be replacing the 20 slave solenoid...although all the new parts are nice...



I already replaced the solenoid....


When I first bought the boat about two months ago, they guy said that he put a rebuilt starter on. The mechanic that I just took the boat said that it may not have been shimmed properly...it's the kind of starter that the bolts go vertical into the block...the mech says it has to be shimmed right. I have hear the same click since I bought the boat....but after a couple hits of the key it would turn over. But this time it wouldnt....if it wasnt shimmed perfectly, could it have been slowly slipping out of place with each start and thats why it would more often as the more times I took the boat out, and then it just finally got so far out of alignment that the starter gear binds with the fly wheel? I also noticed when I pulled the starter that every fin on the gear in the starter had a slight lean to one side...like it had been getting in a bind. Is this possible?
 

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Re: I THINK I FINALLY KILLED IT!!!!!! Engine Seized????

It is very easy to seize and an engine if:

1) You run it with no oil.
2) You run it with low oil pressure
3) The engine is overheating
4) The engine has water in the oil
5) The engine has a broken valve or piston.
6) It is simply worn out.
 
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