i want2 do this 2 my 15 montegomery ward

ebentraywick

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hi i want 2 do this 2 my 15 montegomery ward.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-SaPFEREx0&feature=related i know about back pressure with 2 strokes but where do i install the mufflers like that im guessing where the exhaust manifold and weld them on 2 the manifold with holes in the plate will this hert the outboard and the reason i want 2 do this i love the sound of a 2 stroke.. will this give me better hp.. thanks.. thanks
 

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Re: i want2 do this 2 my 15 montegomery ward

Are you the same guy that supercharged a Yugo?
 

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Those are tuned length pipes and take a good bit of experimentation on an unproven design to get them correct. They are also only good for a narrow band of rpm. AND, if you like the sound of a 2 stroke, they change the sound and quiet it a bit from open pipes.

Should you do it? Only if you are prepared for a good bit of trial and error. Is it worth it on a 15? Only if you are seriously racing and are in a 15 HP class.
 

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Re: i want2 do this 2 my 15 montegomery ward

Those are tuned length pipes and take a good bit of experimentation on an unproven design to get them correct. They are also only good for a narrow band of rpm. AND, if you like the sound of a 2 stroke, they change the sound and quiet it a bit from open pipes.

Should you do it? Only if you are prepared for a good bit of trial and error. Is it worth it on a 15? Only if you are seriously racing and are in a 15 HP class.
i relly like experminting whould it hert the outboard im 15 and i have worked on dirtbikes and cars all of my life but im just getiing into outboards
 

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Since the tuned pipes work on the same principle as sound waves, there is a formula which you should be able to find somewhere that would give the proper length. Basically, a tuned pipe REFLECTS the pressure pulse from the exhaust back to the ports while they are still open. Since the bypass ports close before the exhaust, there is a mild supercharging effect as the pressure pulse blows excess scavenged fresh charge back into the cylinder.

However, since the pipes can only be one length, they function at only a narrow band of RPM. Generally, to keep pipe length manageable, the length is about 1/2 or 1/4 of the frequency (RPM). The exit of the pipe must be smaller than the inlet so the pressure wave is reflected.

These pipes generally work better on loop charged engines but will work on crossflow too.

Once you figure the rpm you want the effect at, you go to a physics book and find the wavelength of that frequency sound wave. Then take 1/2 or 1/4 of the wavelength, whichever is easier to make. Just for example: If for example the rpm you want is 5500, the wavelength of a 5500 hertz sound wave would be 4 feet. A 4 foot pipe is too difficult to have hanging off the engine so you would go to 2 feet or 1 foot. That would get the same effect from the half wave or quarter wave overtones. Now, remember, I don't know the wavelength of various frequencies so you need to look them up.

You also need to be absolutely certain that the engine is capable of reaching that rpm and must prop for it.

However, when the pipe does " come on" you will hear and feel it. But don't expect miracles: You won't gain 5 more horses and depending upon the hull, you may only gain 1 MPH. In racing though, 1 MPH can mean the difference between winning and losing.

Remember: This is not esoteric engineering. Model airplane engines have been using pipes for 40 years. They were developed by a Polish racer named Ted Wisnieuski who built upon the works of Polish physicist Felix Coanda. Technically, it should be called the "Coanda Effect." For years, Ted was unbeatable and set numerous speed records. He also developed loop charging for model airplane engines
Japanese dirt bikes borrowed this pipe technology from model airplane engine design very soon after it was developed so they have been using pipes for about 40 years too.

AND: Since air has mass and tends to keep moving at the velocity and direction it is moving, you can tune the length of the carbs and manifold for a mild supercharging effect. Remember the long and short ram Chrysler 413 engine of the 60s and 70s with two big 4 barrel carbs? It really works, but again, no miracles. Look under the hood of most modern autos. Multi-port fuel injected engines almost certainly will have tuned length intake runners. That's one of the ways the engineers get more power out of a smaller engine.

Remember the Beach Boys? --or was it Jan and Dean? Fuel injected Stingray and a 413---"He follows ram induction but it's understood: I have a fuel injected engine sitting under my hood. Shut it off, shut it off, buddy now I shut you down."
 

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Re: i want2 do this 2 my 15 montegomery ward

thanks 4 your reply that helped me a lot imbuilding a 15ft boat and my freind has a 12ft boat with a 9.9 hp we made a bet hows about hows boat will go the fasted he has a brand new engine i have used my engine on his boat and its the same speed as the 9.9 but i have a bigger boat and i said i can beat him when im finished with my boat so im trying 2 get more horse power out of it i already got a 18hp carb that im going 2 install and the muffler , but where do i install the muffler 2 i guessing makeing a hole on the exhaust manifold and welding a muffler 2 the exhaust manifold?? i just geting good at working on outboards i have worked in cars and trucks and dirtbikes but im learning about outboards everyday.. thank you
 

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Instead of all that trouble, building and installing pipes, and installing a bigger carb, Why don't you just port the engine bypass and exhaust. That alone should give you the two HP. True, you must disassemble the engine to port it, but there will be no experimentation--It will incresase the horsepower art wide open throttle. The carb change will most likely yeild no horsepower increase since the horsepower of these engines is set by displacement and port timing.

These stock engines (if they are older) have drilled circular ports. Squareing them and trumpet shaping will add 25 percent to the size and increase airflow significantly. Thus: You will get much better scavenging and increased horsepower. This power is developed at a higher RPM though, so you would need to reduce the diameter of the prop some to let the engine rev up.

I can not post a decent photo of my port work, but if you go to The Chrysler Crew, join, go to the questions forum, and go to photo albums on the left, I have photos in Frank's Boats.
 

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Re: i want2 do this 2 my 15 montegomery ward

Instead of all that trouble, building and installing pipes, and installing a bigger carb, Why don't you just port the engine bypass and exhaust. That alone should give you the two HP. True, you must disassemble the engine to port it, but there will be no experimentation--It will incresase the horsepower art wide open throttle. The carb change will most likely yeild no horsepower increase since the horsepower of these engines is set by displacement and port timing.

These stock engines (if they are older) have drilled circular ports. Squareing them and trumpet shaping will add 25 percent to the size and increase airflow significantly. Thus: You will get much better scavenging and increased horsepower. This power is developed at a higher RPM though, so you would need to reduce the diameter of the prop some to let the engine rev up.

I can not post a decent photo of my port work, but if you go to The Chrysler Crew, join, go to the questions forum, and go to photo albums on the left, I have photos in Frank's Boats.
sweet thanks i chouldnt find what website you were talking about. but r u taliking about the port under the exuast manifold if so that will be easy i still want 2 change a bigger carb bechase the one on is a piece of ****.. lol
 

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