Idle problems with my Force 120

REMiller

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I have a 94 Force 120; installed new Trigger Assembly due to broken wire, reset timing at 28 degrees BTDC at WOT on Cranking. Seems to run fine but when I put it in gear in the water it wants to stall. What should the RPM's be on the water in Neutral? Out of water with muffs it goes into gear with no problem. Any Suggestions Please? My boat does have a tach. Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks!!
 

pnwboat

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Re: Idle problems with my Force 120

Normally around 750 - 850 RPM's in neutral in the water. When you're out of the water on muffs, there is no drag on the propeller/motor so that may be why it does not stall when you put it into gear. Did it stall before you changed the stator?
 

REMiller

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Re: Idle problems with my Force 120

Yes it did stall when you put it gear. what is the max rpm I want to turn the motor at wot? Thanks for any help
 

HAV2FISH

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Re: Idle problems with my Force 120

My 1996, 120 runs at 5800 rpm at full throttle. If you run faster than that i would suggest changing your prop. My motor runs best at about 5500 rpm's this is whee i get my best gas millage.
 

REMiller

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Re: Idle problems with my Force 120

Thanks, how do I figure out what prop I need? I'm pretty sure that it has the original one on it. I am new to this boating thing; I am a drag racer who builds his own engines...this outboard stuff is a whole new ball game.
 

HAV2FISH

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Re: Idle problems with my Force 120

I run a 3 blade stainless prop from Cabelas 13-1/4x19 part # c301319 For a back up prop i run an old aluminum prop 3 blade 13-1/4x21. I get about the same performance from both at top end, maybe just a few mph better with stainless and i get a better hole shot from the stainless prop.
 

pnwboat

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Re: Idle problems with my Force 120

If you look at all the posts in this forum, you'll see that idle problems are pretty common with the Force engines. There are many causes for poor idle performance. Low compression (this usually causes poor starting and performance issues too), ignition system problems (weak spark), fuel recirculation system problems, to name a few. If the motor is new to you, you should perform some basic checks to see what kind of shape the motor is in mechanically.

1. Compression test. Should see about 120 - 150 lbs evenly across all 4 cylinders.

2. Correct type of plugs. I believe you should be using BUHW or BUZHW NGK's or Champion 5898's.

3. Change the water pump impeller.

4. Change the lower unit oil and check for water intrusion ( milky looking goo instead of black lower unit gear oil ).

5. Inspect the fuel pump diaphragm and check valves. Replace if necessary.

Max RPM may be noted on the model/serial number tag. My 1988 125HP has an RPM range stamped on the tag from 4500 - 5500 RPM's. Your 1994 120HP should be similar. You will find that there is no single prop that will give you good low end AND top end performance. It's either or. Kind of like performance camshafts. If you want top end, then you sacrifice some low end power, and visa versa. I use a 13 1/4 X 17 cupped stainless prop for cruising around with WOT RPM's at 5200 and GPS speed of 45 MPH.

For skiing I switch to a 13 1/2 X 15 cupped stainless. Max RPM's is 5700 at 40 MPH but I generally never run it that fast. My hole shot is way better with the 15 pitch prop and enables me to pull a 200+ LB slalom skier up just like that.
 

Robert D

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Re: Idle problems with my Force 120

Set the mixture while at an idle in gear.....tied off to the dock, of course, or on the trailer, with a warm engine. If you set the mixture while on the muffs, there's no drag on the prop. Then you put it in the water and when you put it in gear....it dies from being set too lean. As easy as it is to do on a calm lake, idling in gear in the middle of the lake , with the engine cowl off...don't do it. Too easy to fall in.
 
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