ignition problem on little merc

Coosa River

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I'm gonna attempt to give basic info first.

This is a 1971 20hp (200) twin cylinder merc in the 299.... ser# model.

The motor cranks/runs at idle, and at high idle, but starts cutting out and bogging when trying to accelerate . Realizing that these stators on this make has split of low rpm, and high rpm sides to it.....I assumed the the high side of my stator was going/gone bad. While attempting to do resistance checks on the stator with a volt/ohm meter, I just happen to throw my meter leads across the coil terminals....between + & - . I got about 800 ohms resistance on one coil, and can't find any resistance on the other (in otherwords completely open).
Here's what's got me puzzled.....I pulled both spark plugs out, and turn the crank by hand....seen a good spark at both plugs.....so I assumed both coils were working at least to some degree, so I started thinking stator trouble. Is it possible that this 0 resistance coil is working at low rpm, and then quitting at high rpm. The 0 resistance thing has got me puzzled as to why it's throwing a spark at all.
The difference between replacing a coil and replacing the stator is about $250. I haven't been able to rule out a bad stator either....but sure don't want to buy one if I don't have to.
The stator wires are all molded into the unit on this model (so you can't disconnect wires for the recommended book checks) .....about all I can do is check voltage going to the points from the stator....but with the thing not getting up rpm's , there is really no way to see if I have increased voltage as the motor speeds up.

Got any idea's about this weird coil reading resistance on one, and why would it even work (spark) at all....even at low speed.

Been scratching my head with this thing for a few days now.......got any advice on what I should do next....or what to try to check next. For the money, I'm thinking about just replacing both of these coils so I can eliminate the question mark with them......and then go from there. I just hate buying parts that I don't need.

Thanks for any replies/comments/advice,

Coosa River
 

Coosa River

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Re: ignition problem on little merc

I guess I should add that I've replaced points , plugs, and plug wires already.....in hopes that this would be something that simple going wrong. No luck with the simple to fix ideas.

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Coosa River

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Re: ignition problem on little merc

Gee thanks.....something else to try to answer :).


What do you think about this coil that has an infinate reading between the + & - terminals ?....and why would it work at any rpm ?

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Coosa River

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Re: ignition problem on little merc

Sorry, but I think you don't understand. I'm not talking about the 4 "transformers" located on the stator......I'm referring to the two ignition coils located outside the flywheel that the stator is supplying electricity to the positive terminals of......and the contact points are making and breaking a ground to the negative side, so they produce the electrical pulse to the plug wire terminal. I'm reading about 800 ohms between the neg and pos terminals on one coil, and infinite between the same two terminals on the other coil. I'm almost sure that the infinite reading one is a problem, but can't figure out why it fires at all on that side if the circuit is completely open.

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Coosa River

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Re: ignition problem on little merc

Sorry.....but your wasting my time....and I'm wasting my time with you. I have the book here on the motor.....they were called ignition coils then (1971), and still are called that by most mechanics that I know of today. I'm not sure that you understand from the start that a transformer is basically a "coil" of insulated wire around another object anyway....but I just don't have time to give you a lesson on induction transformers right now.


Thanks anyway,

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Re: ignition problem on little merc

Your right it is a waste of time, I CAN'T FIX STUPID !
 

Coosa River

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Re: ignition problem on little merc

Some how, I just knew that you were gonna be smarter than 99.9% of us. Thanks for the insult.....and sorry to bother you.

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road.ripper

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Re: ignition problem on little merc

some people just want to waste our time when we are looking for the correct answers to a detailed question I have had a cpl of insults too dont worry , as a newbie to merc, outboards i have had alot of questions and alot ,, no a ton of great help on this site , there are people on here that will give you some great help , please dont let 1 ruin it for all , ask Achris he maybe able to help you, he is trying to help me on my projects .

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1974 20hp
1970 65hp 4cyl.
 

Coosa River

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Re: ignition problem on little merc

Thanks.......yes, many on here like Joe Reeves, JB, and others have been a source of great help to me in the past, and I valued the info that I got from them. I haven't been on this forum much lately except for looking up parts, and browsing the archives. After trying a couple times yesterday to get some reasonable advice on a screwy problem, I had to look and see if I was actually on the right forum. It's obvious that the number of post (rank), and helpful advice doesn't necessarily walk hand in hand.

BTW--- I did find part of the problem with the ignition coil. One end of the coil wire was intermittently touching the positive terminal in which the positive voltage from the stator attaches to. I will replace both coils and be done with it. I can only assume that since both of my ignition coils are original merc parts from 1971, that vibration has caused this breakage. I seen no evidence to suggest that the wires had been hot.

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j_martin

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Re: ignition problem on little merc

Coosa,
Please don't take this as a smart remark, or an attack, but if the coil is open, it wouldn't spark, and if it sparks, it wouldn't be open. So your question is on it's face ridiculous.

Somehow you're making a mistake in probing, or wires in the wrong place, or something else real simple and basic. Then you start attacking folks with 200 times your experience. Sooner or later even the most reserved and controlled gentleman will just slap ya.

On yer problem. Check your wiring, check your connections, check your meter, then answer your own question with the diagnostics.

hope it helps
John
 
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