Illegal Immigrants

txswinner

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How to stop?<br /><br />Fine employers who hire them. Not hard to figure out who they are. Start with construction industry. From homebuilders to highway construction.
 

dogsdad

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Add deportation to that, and I am right there with you, txs.
 
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Illegal immigration is just like the weather, everybody talks about, but nobody does anything about it. ;) :eek:
 

kenimpzoom

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Another idea, get lazy welfare recipients to take the jobs (and pay) that the illegals are happy with. Yea right, like that will ever happen.<br /><br />If we could get that darn "guest worker program" rolling, that would help a lot.<br /><br />If ya run the illegals out of America, expect your prices of many things to go up.<br /><br />Ken
 
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Ken, you have an an innate sense for ignoring the obvious. ;) Do you take Cream or Sugar? :herewegoagain:<br />PS: How are things in Norway? Did you get your insurance problems squared away?
 

txswinner

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dogsdad, I agree on deportation 100%, but I think if we cut off the reason to come here, they will stay home.<br /><br />As far as jobs lazy Americans will not take, I say BS. Why should labor be required to work at income levels that will not support their family.<br /><br />For instance, contractor will pay framer $10.00 per hour. On illegal he gets away without taxes, benefits or insurance. If he hires a citizen he has to pay taxes, SS 8.25% plus, workers compensation and other insurance.<br /><br />Contractor does not charge less he breaks the law and avoids taxes. Ken,I don't know about you but I am tired of taking it in the britches from tax evasion when I pay my share.<br /><br />If we stop the tax evasion, it serves us two-fold; one increase tax base and two takes away reason for illegals coming.
 

tommays

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Its out of control but<br /><br />We are a victim of what we wanted cheep labor for things we did not want to do.<br /><br />We all no it started with migrants to harvest crops there are still camps up here on long island.<br /><br />Most people were happy to look the other way as long as there was food in the stores and they stayed in the camps or went home after the harvest.<br /><br />I really dont think there are enough americans that will do field labor at any price.<br /><br />Greed is also a factor the best example is the cleaning union in LA there were plenty of legal people doing the work 20 years ago<br /><br /> BUT it was found that other people would do it for less so now they are<br /><br /><br />tommays
 

dogsdad

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It is my opinion that if you have to pay someone more than minimum wage to do a job, then that is what it takes, period. If deporting the illegals causes the cost of producing certain goods to rise, then those goods are indeed worth more. If a head of lettuce costs three dollars because it is harvested by someone who is an American, then the head of lettuce is worth three dollars.<br /><br />Do I say that a guy should be able to raise a famiuly and send all his kids to college harvesting lettuce, or flipping burgers? NO way! <br /><br />Keeping the cost of lettuce down is a lousy excuse for porous borders anyway. We pay through the nose for a lot of other stuff because of the torrent of illegal INVADERS, and it's stupid to continue to do so.<br /><br />I read somewhere that the mayor of Los Angeles plans to give a rebuttal speech to the President's State of the Union Address...in Spanish.<br /><br />You guys who think we have to continue to tolerate the outright invasion of this country by aliens---some of them hostile, to keep our economy afloat need to visit Juarez, Mexico, tour El Paso, and see photographs of what El PAso used to be like when America protected itself from the torrent.<br /><br />Mexicans who wish to become Americans are welcome---in reasonable numbers---as far as I am concerned, but we have been overrun by Mexicans who have no intention of assimilating into American society. They need to go home. They are harming my country.
 

18rabbit

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Start with Tyson, the chicken people. The meat packing industry in general used to get something like $20/hr with benefits. Now, the cheap jobs “doing what Americans won’t” has driven down the pay to something like $7/hr with no benefits. Americans must be some mighty proud people to be turning down $20/hr w/bennis jobs.<br /><br />It’s not hard to tackle this problem head on. Won’t cost a dime, and you would be very effective. Problem is, as stated above, no one really wants to take the responsibility for righting the wrong. They want someone else to fix it for them…and that is the leak that lets the illegal aliens thru. Shrub wouldn’t be the president is it wasn’t for the ‘Mexican vote’ so don’t look to him for any support.<br /><br />Btw, the folks that are taking responsibility and doing something about it, those border Patriots, were just banned from marching in the California state parade. Didn’t hear the full story, just caught it in passing on the radio news.
 

BOBPELL

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This is an easy problem to solve. All new immigrants to the US MUST spend 2 years in our army. The exodus would be something to behold.
 

Ron G

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Why dont we light a fire under them to overthrow there own goverment.and if that dosnt work start shooting them as they cross.
 

LubeDude

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Its not just the illegals that have screwed everything up, the welfare has ruined the minority cultures and its the libs fault. They want them dependent on them for votes. What we have now is young minority girls being told to get pregnant so they can get welfare so they can get out of the house, then they move in with another girl with the same problem, then they move there boyfreinds in also and live on the state. There is no marrige anymore because they will lose there benefits and the boys dont stay with there families because they know that the state is taking care of them. Granted, there are whites doing the same thing, but it is more prevelent in the minorities.<br /><br />Welfare should be limited to staple Items, hamburger, potatoes vegetables and whole grain rice and beans in 100# bags. No prepared food or drinks. Plus, you work for the state 8 hrs a day. Just enough to get you on your feet again.<br /><br />Trancient workers should have no privilages while here other than emergency health problems, and the old law that if you are born here youre a citizen should be apealed.
 

18rabbit

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Over throwing the Mexican gvt means taking responsibility for them. Ever see the movie "The Mouse That Roared" ??? Comedy about a country so small it gets covered by the ink that prints the boarders of other coutries. They declare war against the United States knowing they will lose but get federal aid in return, and maybe a place on the map.
 

dogsdad

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Mexico is a fabulously wealthy country, but all that wealth is controlled by a very small percentage of the people. These people are in control of Mexican politics, and Vicente Fox does as they tell him. They do not want a middle class to rise in Mexico. They will not allow the Mexican people to prosper. These people are the ones saying "let the United States take care of our poor." They are fully cognizant of the movement to reclaim the Southwest for Mexico, and if the American middle class suffers or disappears, so much the better for them.<br /><br />These people are the enemy, if there is an enemy to be identified in regards to this issue. I don't know how the Mexican people are ever going to overcome this corruption until they place these peoples' heads on sticks. And that is a tall order---and it will never happen as long as it is so easy to just cross over into the United States instead.
 

eeboater

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Fine the companies... that expense only comes out of our pocket. It isn't going to change whether or not they hire illegals.<br /><br />Sean
 

QC

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dogsdad knows what he is talking about ;) <br /><br />txswinner,<br /><br />If you think this country (US) has an issue with the haves and the have nots (your other troll), you need to take a little trip down to Mexico.
 

QC

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What is the penalty for hiring illegals?
 

treedancer

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This was in this mornings St.Louis Post Dispatch.<br /> I dont believe I need to make a comment.<br /><br /><br />Mexican federal agents have arrested four Iraqis trying to sneak into the United States without proper documents, the government said Monday.<br /><br />Wasim Francis Schamoun and Ivan Yalda, both 23, and Refon Chlil Oraha and Thaer Salem Yelda, both 27, were found on a bus in the northern city of Navajoa after police received an anonymous tip, the attorney general's office said in a statement.<br /><br />The Iraqis were in Mexico illegally, the statement said
 
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