In Trouble With the Coast Guard

CR CRUISER

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I used to work for an aluminum boat manufacturer doing the rigging and electrical on the new boats. A customer brought in his 6 month old boat to have some additional equipment added and to have a wierd electrical problem looked into. He claimed that whenever he keyed the VHF mic, the anchor light would come on. I looked at him and said "Ya right!". He took me out to the boat and sure enough, when he keyed the mic on any channel, the anchor light lit up. The VHF was transmitting and receiving fine and the anchor light was working properly from the switch. Nothing else was being affected except the anchor light.

I got paid by the hour and enjoyed a good challenge so I had to find out what was causing this. My first thought was that somebody had put a screw through the anchor light and antenna cables. I checked every inch of both and there was no damage at all. The only common denominators were that the VHF and anchor light both got power from the same fuse panel and and ground buss and the antenna and light were both mounted on the radar mast.

So I'm laying under the instrument panel with meters and test lights trying to figure this out. I've got the VHF set on a seldom used pleasure boat frequency and I'm keying the mic and watching the meters. At some point I hung up the mic on its clip and didn't realize that this radio had a feature that switched the channel to 16 whenever you hung up the mic. I'm deep in thought trying to determine why this is happening and grab the mic off of its clip. I keyed it again and sure enough even with its fuse pulled, the anchor light lit up. I guess that I muttered to myself "What the **** is going on here". Almost immediately a voice out of the radio answered "The station using profanity on VHF16, This is Coast Guard Radio. Identify yourself immediately." OOPS! I might have been somewhat confused but I wasn't stupid enough to confess and turned the radio off.

Having not been able to figure out the cause of the problem, I reverted to the mechanic's last resort, just start replacing parts until the issue is resolved. The first one replaced was the antenna, just the antenna as the cable attached directly to its base. And Voila! the problem was fixed. Nobody has since been able to determine why this was happening and I actually used this same antenna on my own boat for 6 years without any issues.
 

JB

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Re: In Trouble With the Coast Guard

Way back, long, long ago, I used a lamp bulb taped to my antenna to tune my hf transmitter for max output. My guess is that the stern light filament and antenna were on harmonic frequencies. You might have gotten the same result by changing the stern light bulb.
 

Wind dog

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Re: In Trouble With the Coast Guard

Must be a ghost in the machine, glad you goter' fixed.
 

Grub54891

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Never heard of that one,but good to know!
 

cribber

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Re: In Trouble With the Coast Guard

Its called FM for a reason!!!
 

V153

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Its called FM for a reason!!!
Yup. And if someones modulating his frequency harder than you are, he wins. I get to hear pilots all the time on the FM radio in my craport, from planes landing or taking off @ Venice Airport. Actually heard the shuttle once, no bs.

Granpappy Jack liked to say FM was the reason you see things like a perfectly good 2x4 sticking through a tree after a hurricane or tornado, etc. Said the violence of the storm "rearranged the molecules".

Used to laugh at that when I was younger, but in retrospect he was a high ranking engineer @ GE for many years. One of the last projects he was involved with was the Navy's Phalanx.

Oh well. Hey whatever you do don't accidentally dial 911, they don't let you hang up'n try again. Through some molecular finger fumble I did it one day'n ended up with cops at the shop.
 

sam60

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Re: In Trouble With the Coast Guard

A jobsite that I worked on a few years ago had a similar problem. When a custodian talked on his radio in the maint room a certain GFI breaker would trip. I had to go to the site and witness this first hand, and it was happening. All he had to do was key the mic and the same breaker tripped every time.
 

rivermouse

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My state vehicle had its radio serviced and somehow I got it back with another channel in it I couldnt identify. After several minutes of me acting like Andy Griffin in the No time for Sargents movie saying "hello hello hello???.. The state highway patrol keyed in and told me to get off of their channel and they wernt laughing.....I told no one what happened
 

Barboots

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Re: In Trouble With the Coast Guard

Many Australian 4WDs that are used in remote areas have HF radios for general communication and access to the Flying Doctor. If installed anything less than perfectly, they have a habit of shutting down the ECU of modern Toyota LandCruisers during transmission whilst mobile.

RF at higher wattages can create all sorts of disturbances...
 

SteveMcD

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Re: In Trouble With the Coast Guard

Way back, long, long ago, I used a lamp bulb taped to my antenna to tune my hf transmitter for max output. My guess is that the stern light filament and antenna were on harmonic frequencies. You might have gotten the same result by changing the stern light bulb.

He didn't mention if the bulb had a few loops of wire soldered to it, but that is an old ham radio trick. Been working for over a century. A resonance or just simply induction is certainly plausible, and with the fuse pulled, it is making me wonder. Once upon a time I was removing a motor at work with the power locked off, and I still got knocked on my butt. I had to disconnect the leads at the power source and ground them. Also a faulty connection may not be helping. I've read that bad connections can become a "diode", which is very useful as a detector in every radio receiver I am familiar with. If replacing the antenna worked, maybe you had some cheap/old leaky coax cable, or inadvertently cleaned a bad connection. Not all coax is made equal, and anyone that could make a zero loss coax will get rich quickly. The weirdest stuff always seems to be caused by a bad connection somewhere that's hard to find.
 

Home Cookin'

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Re: In Trouble With the Coast Guard

A guy I used to play poker with got a pacemaker and every time he drew a full house the garage door would open, so he had to quit the group.

He was also really cheap and he thought it a good idea to buy his dentures from the funeral home, but apparently the previous owner stuttered because he started stuttering, too, so it wasn't such a good deal after all.


Not really.
 

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Years ago I worked in the computer repair world. We had a customer who kept calling in because every day at the same time his computer would start typing gibberish all by itself. It would type for about a half hour then return to normal. It took several weeks, but we finally fixed it. We told him to take a break and shut off his machine every day at that time. We determined he was located between to microwave transievers and every day they would exchange telemetry which his keyboard picked up. They were Gov't so there was no way to stop the transmissions.

Glenn
 
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