inboard or outboard?

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BigBoatinOkie

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Re: inboard or outboard?

inboard people like inboards and outboard people like outboards, and they will defend them to the bitter end.:D

What will the primary uses of the boat be in your case?
 

ziggy

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Re: inboard or outboard?

man, that's a wide open discussion. much debate about that... i got a i/o and i consider it maint. intensive for items that o/b's don't have. i still like my i/o though. someone (QC i think) just said that i/o are a mechanical abomination. maybe so, they have to do much work and can be horrible to work on due to confined space.....
if i was gonna get a 17'er, i sure might consider a o/b. that said. at my local boat show this year, which was less than desirable due to the economy i think. the coolest boat i saw, i thought was a 17' bayliner with a 135hp i/o. it had a lot of space for the size, minimal amenity's (less items to break). anyways, i'm sure ya'll get comments both ways..
 

Ike-110722

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For a 17 foot trailerable boat, I would go with an outboard. It weighs less, if something goes wrong you can take it off the boat and work on it or take it to the shop. Outboards are more convenient when beaching a boat. If this were a 19 footer or up then I would probably suggest an I/O. Outboards for those bigger boats are really big, heavy and expensive. And outboards don't take up space inside the boat.

Outboards are a little safer too, because the engine is outside the boat. There are far fewer fires with O/B's than with inboards.

But it also depends on the use. Are you just going fishing or do you plan to tow water skiers, or tow toys? Then an inboard may be better?

Give us more info on what you plan to do with the boat,
 

Wes Hawkins

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Guys
Just a question concerning the same issue. I keep hearing from guys I talk to here in California that a lot of lakes are starting to restrict two stroke OB. Anyone else hearing that or running into that problem. That's one reason I've been looking for an in/out.
Wes.
 

commander315

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Re: inboard or outboard?

It all depends on what you will use it for, how fast u wanna go, etc....For 17 feet tho, ob seems like a better choice (Lighter, more space, etc...)
 

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1. I/O are more fuel efficient thatn 2 stroke outboards. Not when compared to the 4 stroke outboards though.

2. I/O don't have a motor sticking up and many think this cleaner look is more attractive.

3. I/O are generally a bit quieter, but it depends on how the exhaust is run and what kind of outboard you are comparing to. I have never considered any of my outboard boats "loud".

4. I/O takes up room inside of the boat with the motor hood. Outboard conversely has more room inside the boat.

5. I/O has holes in the transom below water line that if the bellows or outdrive boot split will let water in the boat. Outboard has no holes below water line.

6. I/O has universal joints which can and do fail and need replacement. The outboard doesn't have these additional u-joints.

7. I/O can only be run in the trim range, not in the tilt range. Outboards can be run with the prop about half out of the water as long as the cooling water pickup is getting water. This allows navigating shallow water easier.

8. Depending on the I/O, the motor may not be the easiest to access. An outboard if fully exposed once the hood is off. This can be done on the water. I had to do this once and was greatful for the full access.

9. Smaller outboards can be pull started with an emergency rope if the battery is dead. My 115 mercury has this feature although I haven't had to use it. The 70 HP johson I had before I did have to use it and was able to get the motor started.

10. To keep an outboard from getting freeze damage all you do is lower the motor. On an I/O they need to be winterized (drain water from block). This can mean that an outboard can be operated before the danger of the last freeze of the spring, or after the first freeze of the fall thereby extending the season a bit (fishing).

11. A 2-stroke outboard puts out more power per pound of motor weight than an I/O.

12. In my opinion the routine maintenance of an outboard is easier because the motor is more accessible. I would also say there is less routine maintenance required for the outboard although I wouldn't consider it much different in a typical boater's season.

13. Outboards you don't have to worry about bilge blowers, and there is less chance of a fire INSIDE the boat because there is no engine to provide an ignition source if fuel does happen to get in the bilge.

As far as what they can and can't do, they are pretty much the same. Both can pull skiers and tubes fine. My Sea Ray with a 115 outboard hauled a 250 pound slalom skier up just fine. For single tow they both work just fine. The I/O does provide a nice spot for a large tube at the back of the boat for getting from the dock to the tubing location. The outboard gets in the way of that. I fish, so I like the outboard for getting into shallower waters and not having to walk around a motor hood while working a fish. I feel it is easier to work around the outboard than the motor hood when fishing. As for speed, My 16 foot Sea Ray with 115 outboard makes 52 mph GPS with 2 on board.

Bottom line is that they both are fine and both do the job. You just have to look at the differences and decide what YOU prefer. I personally prefer outboards but I don't forsee ever having a boat bigger than about 18 feet. Once you get to 20 feet the I/O's definitely start looking more attractive to me.

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As far as the question of not allowing two strokes,

about 5 years ago, before I retired I was the USCG Liaison to the California Air Resource Board (CARB. At that time there was a lot of talk about limitng where 2 strokes could be used in California. Not anywhere else in the country. You would have to check with the California Boating Law Administrator http://www.dbw.ca.gov/
 

Wes Hawkins

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Peter
Thank you very much for that information with the website. While there are some restrictions they are not restrictive enough to keep me from looking at two strokes now. Lake Tahoe is the only one that bans two strokes all together. Almost all the complete bans in my area are only the PWC.
Thanks, Wes.
 

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sound like an outboard would suit me just fine (do lots of shallow beaching and didn't know the i/o's are so much maintenance) but all I see on 17 footers is 90-115 hp would like more power than that, I'm coming from a 1999 gs 160 w/115 yamaha and don't want less performance than that.
 

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What is the boat rated for? You really should not exceed the rated HP. Contrary to popular myth it is not a violation of Coast Guard regs to exceed the rating, but it may be illegal in some states. I don't know about California, but in some states it is illegal to exceed the HP capacity rating, and it can void your insurance as well.

Why 17 feet? Maybe 18 would be better, and it would probably have a higher HP rating. But, every boat is different because the HP rating is based on length and transom width,so if you get a wider boat, that raises the rating as well.
 

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I wanted a deeper boat with a little more room, love how easy the 16 pulled, loaded and unloaded, just didn't want to lose all of that. I won't exceed the rating.
 

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sound like an outboard would suit me just fine (do lots of shallow beaching and didn't know the i/o's are so much maintenance) but all I see on 17 footers is 90-115 hp would like more power than that, I'm coming from a 1999 gs 160 w/115 yamaha and don't want less performance than that.

I have a glastron SX 170 with a 150 xr6 merc and ill tell you what, performance is amazing as expected for a light, small boat. Glastron is one of the few manufacturers that rates their 17 ft o/b boats to 150 hp. It puts performance on a whole other level than that of a 115. I would never want an I/O for this size boat. I prefer outboards by a long shot, especially two strokes. With an mercury enertia prop, i get 60 mph top end and the hole shot is insane. I ride snowmobiles during the winter, and i would say its comparable in acceleration. The motor is very torquey. I need about 1/3 throttle to pop right out of the water, full throttle with one person and the boat literally jumps on plan in under a second.

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I have a glastron SX 170 with a 150 xr6 merc and ill tell you what, performance is amazing as expected for a light, small boat. I would never want an I/O for this size boat. I prefer outboards by a long shot, especially two strokes. With an mercury enertia prop, i get 60 mph top end and the hole shot is insane. I ride snowmobiles during the winter, and i would say its comparable in acceleration.

I'm pretty sure if I had a boat that accelerated like my snowmobile I'd have a very short, painful summer! The snowmobile ('96 vmax 600, set up for drag) picks up its skis around 25 mph, and I haven't been brave enough to figure out where they actually come back down if you keep the throttle pinned.
 

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I'm pretty sure if I had a boat that accelerated like my snowmobile I'd have a very short, painful summer! The snowmobile ('96 vmax 600, set up for drag) picks up its skis around 25 mph, and I haven't been brave enough to figure out where they actually come back down if you keep the throttle pinned.

haha, i have a zr 900 and a long track 144" pro-x 700 that is clutched, jetted, just setup for acceleration, and to be honest, the boat would hold its own in the first 25 mph i feel.
 

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Personally, for the size of boat I prefer an outboard. There are many that will disagree for their own reasons. It is personal preference in reality.
 

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I run a 150 e tech on a 20' lowe deckboat. It has a great holeshot but nothing like my 09 nytro xtx or 03 turbo rx-1
Turk
 

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Off topic, but no boat except maybe a drag boat is going to accelerate anywhere near how a snowmobile does. I have 2002 and 2003 mountain cat 800's and if you just think about it you will see it is not possible. A snowmobile weighs about 500 pounds and mine have 140 hp. A boat like we are talking is 1500-2000 pounds or so and has about the same horsepower. The boat has to move a lot of water out of the way to get moving. Not much snow moved to get the sled moving. Not possible.
 

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I have a glastron SX 170 with a 150 xr6 merc and ill tell you what, performance is amazing as expected for a light, small boat. Glastron is one of the few manufacturers that rates their 17 ft o/b boats to 150 hp. It puts performance on a whole other level than that of a 115. I would never want an I/O for this size boat. I prefer outboards by a long shot, especially two strokes. With an mercury enertia prop, i get 60 mph top end and the hole shot is insane. I ride snowmobiles during the winter, and i would say its comparable in acceleration. The motor is very torquey. I need about 1/3 throttle to pop right out of the water, full throttle with one person and the boat literally jumps on plan in under a second.

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man you hit the nail on the head, that's exactly what I'd like, now I have to find one, PS; I'm a die hard sledder also and not at all anti 2 stroke.
 

05GlastronSX

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Off topic, but no boat except maybe a drag boat is going to accelerate anywhere near how a snowmobile does. I have 2002 and 2003 mountain cat 800's and if you just think about it you will see it is not possible. A snowmobile weighs about 500 pounds and mine have 140 hp. A boat like we are talking is 1500-2000 pounds or so and has about the same horsepower. The boat has to move a lot of water out of the way to get moving. Not much snow moved to get the sled moving. Not possible.

Traction is always an issue with sleds though, so one time you hook up and you lift the skis a few hundred yards, the next time your spinning like crazy jumping on the back trying to get it to hook. I run a 144" cobra 1.375" track with 144 studs and i still spin with 140 hp. A boat is always consistent with hole shot keeping variables the same (i.e weight in the boat)
 
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