Inboard outboard air cooled engine

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Anyone ever use an electric start riding lawn mower engine in a boat and attached an outboard lower unit under the bottom? Been thinking of doing this for awhile, just wondering if it had been done and how it worked?
 

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Re: Inboard outboard air cooled engine

I imagine it would be hard to keep the seal in the hull intact and waterproof. How would you steer it? Rudder? It would handle like a dog and draft a lot of water. I also bet the hull would flex quite a bit and if you ever hit something, it would probably tear a huge hole in the hull. The powerhead couldn't be covered either or it would overheat. I like your home made outboard idea better.
 

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well if you can seal up the hole, go for it. i've seen pictures where the whole unit swiveled to steer the boat. that's all a briggs & stratton outboard is.
 

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Need some sort of big rubber boot to go around the unit on the inside that would be able to be sealed to the floor I guess. or put in a outboard tunnel and hang the outboard through the bottom. Dory boats around here use the tunnels.
 

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It's rare to run an aircooled inboard useing a lawnmower type motor but surely not un heard of.There was a company marketing a straight inboard setup at one time.You could probably take the lower unit at the pump(not needed) and adapt to the motor
using something like an aluminum plate fabricated to adapt components and attach to a hole in the bottom.Could be mounted to a raised section like a reversed motor well so prop was just below bottom.But why bother when you could just adapt to a straight drive inboard type set up.
 

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Re: Inboard outboard air cooled engine

I like the raised section idea, I hadn,t thought of that. Thanks! I had a couple of staight drive air cooled engines in boats when I was a kid.
I used to love those things!
 
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I've seen two versions of that idea.

One was a Louisiana mud boat. It used a V-Twin Wisconsin engine with a direct shaft as a straight inboard. The propeller looked like a corkscrew. It would just wind its way through mud.

The other was a vertical shaft B & S engine mounted to an outboard lower unit. The lower unit sat in a well in the middle of the boat. The well took place of trying to seal the l/U to the bottom of the boat.
 

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Thats what my first boat was EXACTLY. Sold like that, not custom. Back in the 50's, my dad had a cruiser, and he bought a "tender/dingy that had a standard lower unit bolted to the hull, and a small verticle shaft Briggs on top. Rudder in the back. Worked like a champ!
Let me dig out a pic..see the "over the transom" exhaust?. I was in this when I was 5 or 6...middle 50's, still at it

Myfirstboat.jpg
 

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If memory serves didn't the Little Rascals do this with a washing machine motor and an old ice box? I've thought of trying it many times just never when I had the time to put in to it. So if ya do it please post some pics.
 

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I've got the lower unit which I beleive is good, and a 12hp Briggs. Do I sacrafice the 12 footer destined to become a hydroplane?
If so I could be transported back to my childhood days with a few weekends worth of work. The trips I've made listening to the putt,putt,putt. Steering lines in either hand. The wooden rudder swinging to and fro, the bow slicing the waves, the patter of the water on the bottom.

Ok! Here's the plan should I proceed! Build a box to cover the opening in the bottom, fiberglass box to bottom of boat, both inside and out. Make some sort of cowling to go under the boat that would mount around lower unit, not so much to keep water out, the box will take care of that, but to devert the water so as not to make a suction under the boat, ok to gain speed! Mount engine to top of box connecting the engine shaft to the lower unit using the end of a crank that I had sawn off from a bad outboard engine. Make up a sleeve from galvanized pipe that will slide both over the crankshaft on the engine and over the spline that connects to the drive shaft. Use three set screws to secure the top to crankshaft and three to secure the splined end that goes to the drive shaft, or through bolt at the crank and set screw the bottom at the driveshaft.. Or I could have them welded. This way if I need to remove the engine I can unbolt it and and seperate it from the lower unit easily. I'd have the drive shaft cut and welded. Try to rig up some sort of foot shift possibly, don't know if it would work, haven't thought it out that far yet. I plan to have forward, neutral and reverse. I may use rope steering with a wooden rudder, rope steering subject to change.Going to think on it a few days, see if I really want to tackle the project. I like it, I like it alot!
Any ideas for exhaust? I'm thinking big rig stack with a flapper, only in miniture form!
 

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Yes !I am caught up in your dream. But instead of a rudder, Mount a pivoting round table on top of the box (above the water line) wrap your steering rope around it twice. (maybe bolt a bicycle rim to it for a pulley grove) Then you could turn it 360 and won't need to mess with gears. You will go forward reverse and side ways. Much more control. The engine and all would turn. Hmmmm! it would need its fuel tank on the table with it.
 

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neutral could be the electric clutch that used to drive the mower blades
 

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That would trip'em up when coming to the dock! Spin her round, slide on in!
 

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Re: Inboard outboard air cooled engine

OK BOYS, THE BUILD IS ON! Thought about it long enough!
I've got a rebuildable gearcase, the boat and the motor, three of the main ingredients needed to proceed. The gearcase is off an Evinrude 9.9hp around the 60s or 70s, it is one of the short fat one's with the top that slants way down in the back. The prop size is stamped 1/4 x 8 1/2 something missing here? The blades of the prop are wide and round this should give plenty of push power. The RPM of the riding lawn mower engine shoudn't over ride the gear case seeing that these engines don't turn up like an outboard engine, I'm thinking it should work out about right for the 12hp Briggs. Looks like I won't have to cut the drive shaft, looks to be about the right length the way it is. Anyway here are some pictures of the gearcase! The next move is to clean out the garage, move her in and get started.
For those who don't know, this is my current project! 1989 maxum 20 footer, 125 hp Force outboard. Turned my cuddy, into a bow rider, and now turning it into a center console. The little boat in the background is the hull for the Briggs install, can't see much of it, but will give an idea as to what type hull I'm working with.
 

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Is your last name, McGuyver?
 

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Yeah, well you know just keeping busy!
 

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Re: Inboard outboard air cooled engine

anything new? Im really interested in seing how this thing goes. Id like to see some pics in the process! Good idea for a fun winter project. I put a 6.5hp briggs push mower motor on top or a 4hp evinrude lower unit before. Shook the **** out of my arm but it moved the boat! It was slower than the 4 hp powerhead when it was on there but it was fun to do it!
 

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Sorry it was a powerwasher motor not a pushmower motor. The powerwasher motors have like a weighted flywheel like on them cause the pushmower motors use the blade for the same weight that a flywheel would use. So briggs made the motor specifically for a powerwasher cause there was no weight from a blade.
 

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Yep, back in the 50's lots of commercial guys around here used lawn mower motors. You could also look for an old OMC Sail Drive. That would give you the seal and rotating (for steering) lower unit. Replace the 35 hp powerhead with the Briggs.
 

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Re: Inboard outboard air cooled engine

The AMAZINGLY TECHNICALLY ASTOUNDING Jackson/Weaver outboard engine was a marrying of a National Pressure Cooker lower end with a Brigs and Scrap Iron verticle engine. Now twenty five years later, it still runs well and uses less fuel than a two stroker ( now I opened up a well thrashed can of worms!).

Adapt away and have some fun!
 
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