Interchangable Lower unit...

61fish

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Can someone tell me what other lower units might be interchangable with mine. I am finding this recently purchased motor is somewhat of an oddball. It is a 1985 120hp VRO model no. E120TLCO.
What I have learned so far is it has a V6 lower.
Are the lower units, the housing stamped anywhere with some kind of part number?
Thanks, Bill
 

ezeke

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Re: Interchangable Lower unit...

Your model number indicates that your motor is 20 inch. Please confirm.

The number of splines on your propeller, and/or propeller shaft, would indicate the diameter of the shaft. Normally, this model came with a 13 spline prop and prop shaft- not the V6 gearcase, which has a larger, 15 spline. Please confirm.

Based on that information, someone might have a chance of assisting you.
 

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Re: Interchangable Lower unit...

Some 1985 V4 loopers came with a V6 type gearcase. It is not truely a V6 lower unit.
 

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Re: Interchangable Lower unit...

ezeke said:
Your model number indicates that your motor is 20 inch. Please confirm.

The number of splines on your propeller, and/or propeller shaft, would indicate the diameter of the shaft. Normally, this model came with a 13 spline prop and prop shaft- not the V6 gearcase, which has a larger, 15 spline. Please confirm.

Based on that information, someone might have a chance of assisting you.

Thanks I will check out the splines in the am and get back with that info. Bill
 

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Re: Interchangable Lower unit...

ezeke said:
Your model number indicates that your motor is 20 inch. Please confirm.

The number of splines on your propeller, and/or propeller shaft, would indicate the diameter of the shaft. Normally, this model came with a 13 spline prop and prop shaft- not the V6 gearcase, which has a larger, 15 spline. Please confirm.

Ezeke,
I measured from the top of the gearcase to the bottom of the powerhead casing and it is about 15 or so inches which leads me to believe it is 20' shaft...what do you think?
I also counted the splines, there are 15 total. the prop says 14 1/2 X 19. This came with the motor and I have never ran it in open water yet.

What do you think?
Bill

Based on that information, someone might have a chance of assisting you.
 

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I think that you have the 20"., measured roughly from the top of the anti-ventilation plate to the underside of the transom bracket where it sits on the transom. That is good, because you have a lot of gearcases available.

The 14-1/2 inch diameter prop will not fit on the smaller gearcases with the 13 spline propshaft, so if you want to keep using that prop, get the larger gearcase. If the prop is not that good, it won't matter.

The larger gearcase have different gears, depending on what motors they were used on, but most of the larger V4 units were 12:27 or .44.

I have two V6 gearcases, one from 1990, the other from 1991; both have 14:26 or .54 gears. You have to allow for that difference in selecting propellers, so try to find out as much as possible before purchase.

The V6 shift rods don't fit my V4 motor, so they probably won't fit yours either. Fortunately they are easy to switch, so it only matters if you don't have a good shift rod now. I have been trying to find a spare 25" shift rod for a V4 for 3 months, now so be aware that they are not instantly available, and that they want $70 for a new one.

DHadley is a veteran with these motors and a professional, so pay attention to his advise, as it is far better grounded than mine.

My biggest mistakes in switching gearcases were getting the wrong shift rods [even though I specifically asked for the correct ones] and assuming that I would be able to use the valuable propellers that I had.
 

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Re: Interchangable Lower unit...

ezeke said:
I think that you have the 20"., measured roughly from the top of the anti-ventilation plate to the underside of the transom bracket where it sits on the transom. That is good, because you have a lot of gearcases available.

The 14-1/2 inch diameter prop will not fit on the smaller gearcases with the 13 spline propshaft, so if you want to keep using that prop, get the larger gearcase. If the prop is not that good, it won't matter.

The larger gearcase have different gears, depending on what motors they were used on, but most of the larger V4 units were 12:27 or .44.

I have two V6 gearcases, one from 1990, the other from 1991; both have 14:26 or .54 gears. You have to allow for that difference in selecting propellers, so try to find out as much as possible before purchase.

The V6 shift rods don't fit my V4 motor, so they probably won't fit yours either. Fortunately they are easy to switch, so it only matters if you don't have a good shift rod now. I have been trying to find a spare 25" shift rod for a V4 for 3 months, now so be aware that they are not instantly available, and that they want $70 for a new one.

DHadley is a veteran with these motors and a professional, so pay attention to his advise, as it is far better grounded than mine.

My biggest mistakes in switching gearcases were getting the wrong shift rods [even though I specifically asked for the correct ones] and assuming that I would be able to use the valuable propellers that I had.


The first million dollar question is how do you know whats inside a gearcase and/or what it came off of? Is the prop shaft size the first indicator? Are there any kind of markings or something to go by which will indicate the gear ratio??
so to sum this up a bit...If I find a complete gearcase with a 20'' shaft and a prop shaft with 15 splines from the 1980 -1990 era. I might be heading in the right direction?
If I find same as above with 13 splines I might be ok still with a new prop?
Am I understanding this?

Also Dhadley mentioned the word Bullet, two different sizes. What does this mean?

Again Many Thanks, I really appreciate this. Bill
 

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Re: Interchangable Lower unit...

Re. Bullet: The diameter of the rounded section of the gearcase.

Re Gears: Turn the driveshaft 27 revolutions, count the times the propshaft turns. Better to have someone else count, or put a string on the propshaft and count the coils. The specifications page in the service manual or the owner's manual gives what it should be.

I think that it will be far far easier and cheaper to find the 20 inch 13 spline unit and prop it correctly, but check around.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/OMC-...439QQitemZ280093820052QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW
 

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Re: Interchangable Lower unit...

ezeke said:
Re. Bullet: The diameter of the rounded section of the gearcase.

Re Gears: Turn the driveshaft 27 revolutions, count the times the propshaft turns. Better to have someone else count, or put a string on the propshaft and count the coils. The specifications page in the service manual or the owner's manual gives what it should be.

I think that it will be far far easier and cheaper to find the 20 inch 13 spline unit and prop it correctly, but check around.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/OMC-...439QQitemZ280093820052QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

Thanks again Ezeke you and Dhadley have been a great help. The link you sent me is a good place to start. What kind of things should I look for as far as quality. Has it been pressured tested? If it is older and it sat for a while like the link you sent me I would think new seals are required. Is this labor intensive and expensive?
Bill
 

ezeke

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Re: Interchangable Lower unit...

The center of the propshaft should be almost exactly halfway between the anti-ventilation plate and the lowest point on the skeg. If the empty case would not hold 10+ psi for 20 minutes, I would replace the seals. You can do the driveshaft, shift shaft, and the fill plug and vent plug without too much effort. The only thing that you might want to have done at a shop is the propeller shaft oil seal.

It is also a trade off. You can check here at iboats for the price of a rebuilt unit with a warranty and decide if the risk is worth buying a used unit. Most times the sellers on Ebay have not done any work or testing and that is why the units sell cheap.

I would expect that a engine shop would have a pretty good idea of the quality of the unit. With Ebay, you can only go by the vendor's feedback unless you ask for references.

You can and should ask the vendor for more photographs so that you can see the skeg, the shift rod, and the driveshaft in the area of the waterpump.
 
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