Internet thing ? ?

[Turin]

Hi guys i have share internet with my neighbours who don't know that :redface: thou shall not steal .

Now i have bought this wireless router thing to connect my pc with my (soon to be) wife's.

how do i get the router configured that it will use the internet connection from the router the neighbours use?

 

[eaglejim]

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need to find a 10 year old ,don't think that legal.neighbor might not be happy about tapping in to thier internet

 

[SeaKaye12]

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Most people set up there wireless in a secure fashion. You'd need their password.

On my wireless; I can "see" a bunch of neighbor's computers.....but they are all "locked".

On the chance that it's not locked...you should pretty much be good to go....just like you can do in a lot of the coffee shops and libraries that offer free wireless.

Your neighbors are dumb though if they have it set up that way.

Chuck

 

[Xcusme]

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....how do i get the router configured that it will use the internet connection from the router the neighbours use?

In short , you don't....you'd have to configure both routers for Bridge mode
etc...

Just because the neighbors don't have encryption turned on in their router doesn't give anyone the right to hijack their internet service, it's theft, plain and simple.

 

[ratracer]

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need to find a 10 year old ,don't think that legal.neighbor might not be happy about tapping in to thier internet

Who knows, the neighbor (or a clueful friend/relative) might be onto him and is sniffing & capturing network packets looking for interesting information like login names and passwords, web sites visited, and so on. Anything sent in the clear would be fair game, even encrypted data can be vulnerable to decryption either by brute force or by exploiting bugs.

Payback could end up being a real you-know-what.

 

[tomatolord]

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hmmm - it is not illegal - you are "broadcasting" a signal, like a baby monitor or old wireless handset - you could listen in. Their signal is intruding into your living space.

That is what the wep key is for to protect your connection from unintended usage.

Now if it was encrypted or password protected and THEN you broke in then it would be illegal.

YOUdo not need a router.

what you need to do is either.

Put a wireless card in the other pc to share that same connection

Get a crossover cable (you can get them anywhere) and "share" the internent connection on your machine, basically you connect one pc to the other with the crossover cable.

Now unless you have protected your machine, your neighbor can 'SEE" the machines on his router and of course any information going across his router is available for logging, web sites you go to etc.

Tomatolord

 

[FLATHEAD]

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Who knows, the neighbor (or a clueful friend/relative) might be onto him and is sniffing & capturing network packets looking for interesting information like login names and passwords, web sites visited, and so on. Anything sent in the clear would be fair game, even encrypted data can be vulnerable to decryption either by brute force or by exploiting bugs.

Payback could end up being a real you-know-what.

LOL I agree with the above.

No doubt the neighbor knows everything you do on your PC. I would be willing to bet in the long run your the one getting duped, and deservingly so.

Man up and be responsible and pay your own way. Only a weasel steals from his neighbor.

 

[bruceb58]

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The simple solution is to pay for your own internet and stop "borrowing from your neighbor.

 

[Xcusme]

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Now if it was encrypted or password protected and THEN you broke in then it would be illegal.

OK, lets take a closer look at your statement....

You're saying that if you don't have to break their encryption or password , then it's legal?

Not so...

If my neighbor leaves his car doors unlocked and the keys in the ignition and someone "uses' or 'borrows' his car, are they not guilty of theft? Sure they are. While not smart or prudent to take steps necessary to prevent unauthorized usage of the car, the person that takes it, without permission, is stealing.

To imply that an unsecured wifi is the same as a Public Hotspot is wrong, they are not the same. Even using a Public Hotspot 'off site', say from the parking lot can be considered theft. The wifi at Starbucks is for their patrons 'on site' use. Folks can be prosecuted (and have been) for wifi usage from the parking lot (with no intention of buying anything).

 

[Nandy]

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hmmm - it is not illegal - you are "broadcasting" a signal, like a baby monitor or old wireless handset - you could listen in. Their signal is intruding into your living space.

WRONG! In some states this is some wrong that it will land you in jail. More states are taking notice to this hijack and are making laws to protect the owner of the unsecured wireless system...

However... Turin dont lives in the usa and it not might be illegal there. As far as morally speaking, I will leave it up to him.

Turin, you can do as you were told, use a crossover cable and set your pc as the gateway so your significant other can use the net. Or, just get her a wireless card which I think is better.

As the other members had said, the owner of the unsecured router can see your communications. Some of these routers even have a log of the connected system so I would suggest that you stop if it is illegal in your country to do this. You never know, the owner of the "unsecure" router can just be fishing for unsuspecting users and their financial information.
Good luck...

 

[dchris]

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Keep in mind, if you can get into his internet that easy, anyone else can get to your PC just as easy. You're looking for trouble on a non-secure connection.

 

[Turin]

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well it is legal here but if some one puts a code on it or calls his connection some thing like private of do not use it is illegal.

I use so little of the internet that I don't want to pay for it if this wasn't possible I would just don't have internet.

Its stupid here if you want internet you also have to pay and get a connection to the TV signal and I don't want that because internet will cost me 20 euro I would be ok with that, but than i also have to pay 50 euro for the tv connection I don't use.

 

[bruceb58]

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Well....I don't like paying $40/month for my wireless internet service provider but I wouldn't think of logging onto my neigbors wireless router to avoid paying it. The logic that because it is expensive gives you the right to steal it from the neighbor escapes me.

 

[v1_0]

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how do i get the router configured that it will use the internet connection from the router the neighbours use?

There may be 3 ways: use "peer to peer" mode (I have never done this, so cannot confirm that it can be used this way), (2) hack your router into a repeater - instructions can be found on the internet. (3) Use a PC/laptop as a 'bridge'.

But first, make sure it is legal. I would even discuss this with the neighbor - maybe sliding them a couple of dollars towards their internet bill may help.

One thing to worry about is the internet provider: many have clauses in the contract that you can't do this sort of thing. They can detect usage patterns/usage amount and may come and investigate.

Another thing to worry about is that you are sending all your information through someone's router. It is fairly easy to eavesdrop on packets if they "go through" your system. You can setup a (spare) PC/laptop with two LAN cards - one attached to the wireless router/access point, and the other to the internet. Add some software (to transfer packets from one lan card to the other) and a big/fast hard-drive and you have the ability to record every packet that goes through your network. Your iboats log in, for example. Or, if you do any online banking...

-V

 

[Turin]

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well if I knew who's router I was using I would pay them half there Internet bill but I don't know.

I say neighbour but It can be someone a block away.

I asked my neighbour next to me and he has wired internet.

 

[rwise]

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A lot of paranoia here! Most folks that get a wireless router know nothing about how to set it up! If they did they would have you locked out, (just try to get on my wireless ) They would not know how to get to the logs or how to tell if someone is using there connection. If you take up to much band width then they may complain to the ISP that they have a slow connection. Which could lead to being found out by there tech/s.
If you wish to find them make a directional antenna (I have seen plans on the web that use a pringles(sp) can) it will also extend the range,,,,

As a note if one leaves the keys in the car here it is not stealing to take it they gave it to you! This is the insurance companies view not mine! So dont kill me, I dont agree with it

 

[Xcusme]

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A lot of paranoia here! Most folks that get a wireless router know nothing about how to set it up!

Totally agree....

If you wish to find them make a directional antenna (I have seen plans on the web that use a pringles(sp) can) it will also extend the range,,,,

Google "Cantenna" or "Windsurfer Antenna"

 

[Turin]

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well i wont be using a lot of band with because this is the thing i do on the net.



and 2 other forums.

no down loads no banking (most secure go to a bank) so i don't care for safety.

 

[bruceb58]

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Turin, I have read your posts before and you seem like a nice guy. May I suggest that you do the "right thing" and not steal the internet from your neighbors. If I had an insecure wireless router and I found out later that my neighbor was leaching off of me, he would not be my friend anymore.

 

[Pierutrus]

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well if I knew who's router I was using I would pay them half there Internet bill but I don't know.

I say neighbour but It can be someone a block away.

I asked my neighbour next to me and he has wired internet.

Turin, you can buy a directional antenna from a computer store like Fry's.....
And pin point where it's coming from by signal strength.
IF your conscience is bothering you. TIP.....Wireless router's only broadcast around 200-300 feet. So it's one of your next door neighbors or the house behind you. Their close by you!